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  • Adrian

    Member
    26/07/2005 at 9:34 am

    Keep your shoulders straight, your head high — take short
    steps (this can be helped by wearing a skirt tight around
    the legs) and, while walking, swing your hip to put one foot
    directly in front of the other for each step you take.

    Try it. It works!

    Love,
    Billie Sue

    Source: yahoo group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Passing

  • Adrian

    Member
    26/07/2005 at 9:35 am

    Best advice I can give is to practise your wiggle whenever you are walking in
    drab. Noone will bat an eyelid, as they will just think you are a bit gay!

    Keep your shoulders still, and let your hips do all the work. It’s amazing how
    easy it is after a few goes. Then when you put on a pair of heels, it feel like
    the most natural thing to do.

    Kisses

    Kati xx

    Source: yahoo group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Passing

  • Adrian

    Member
    26/07/2005 at 9:35 am

    All the previous advice is right on…
    I find that it isn’t so much walking like a girl that does the trick,
    but developing a feminine posture and staying in that posture when
    you walk, sit, and otherwise move. If you can maintain the posture,
    your motions will become more naturally feminine.
    The basic posture differences have been mostly gone over; I would add
    that men tend to hunch forward with their elbows out and their
    knuckles facing forwards and the fingers curled back in a semi-fist
    (think of a gorilla taking an aggressive stance), while women keep
    their elbows close to their sides, like they are tied there by short
    strings, and they tend to display their palms more and are more
    graceful in their hand movements; men are more grabby and thrusting
    in their hand motions, while women tend to do things with more of a
    flourish.

    The other thing that I am surprised nobody has mentioned yet is WEAR
    HEELS!!!

    High heels are designed specifically to force the body into the
    pelvis and chest forward/shoulders back posture. You can stand with a
    male posture in heels, but you cannot walk in them that way.

    The technical explanation for what heels do is they induce an
    exxagerated inward curvature in the lumbar spine called a lordosis.
    Lordosis is also the term used to describe the way many female
    mammals arch their back so that the head is tilted back and the butt
    sticks up and out; laying on their back, their rump and head touch
    the floor, but there is space between the floor and the spine…

    This lordosis is the key- looking at the body from the side, you want
    to tilt your pelvis so that it’s top goes forward and down and the
    bottom goes back and up, creating a swayback shape (but not *that*
    exagerrated). Imagine you are a marionette; you want to pull the
    string attached to your butt so that it sticks up and out higher than
    usual. This will have the added effect of making your butt look
    bigger and more attractive, that’s kind of the whole point of why
    women are designed that way naturally.

    If you hold this lordosis constantly, especially in heels, you cannot
    help but walk and move more like a woman; you will keep your CG more
    centered over your heels by keeping your shoulders back and your
    boobs out and elbows in at your sides, and your arms will no longer
    fall to the sides but will naturally want to rest with your forearms
    generally aiming forwards and paralell to the ground, with your
    wrists ever so slightly limp. Your forearms are now counterweights
    that compensate for your cg being much farther back over your heels
    than a guy, who is kind of always bobbing around with his elbows out
    as counterweights and sort of falls forwards as he moves…Women stay
    balanced by standing straight and not making wild movements; economy
    and steadyness of motion are what make the difference in moving like
    a guy or a girl.

    Done subtly, all of this just looks graceful and not swishy, although
    it might give your walk a tiny bit of a “prancing” feel…in a woman,
    this gets read as self assurance, so it really isn’t that bad a
    thing, and it really is a better posture for both men and women
    regardless of whether it looks odd in a man or not (it is pretty much
    the posture of dancers). The first muscles to lose tone in guys as
    they age are the very ones that make this lordosis possible, and the
    ones that keep the stomach flat and the torso vertical; this is why
    guys tend toward pot bellies that won’t go away through dieting.
    Constantly maintaining this lordosis (not hunching over) helps
    strengthen the muscles that hold everything in an vertical position
    and can make you look trimmer, and can help alleviate lower back pain
    too.

    Tina

    Source: yahoo group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Passing

  • Adrian

    Member
    26/07/2005 at 9:36 am

    Suzi,

    The first advice I was given from a passable TG when I emerged from
    the closet was to walk normally but with shorter steps. Maybe a good
    initial start, but not enough to work very well in the real world!(I
    think she understood that over-doing it is worse than under-doing it)
    And those who say to place one foot directly in front of the other
    have been watching too many runway models; real-life women don’t
    casually walk like that(but it is a good way to learn the rythm of
    the ‘sway’). Men’s hip/leg bone structure relationship causes the
    legs to move parallel or outward; women are opposite. Men need the
    clearance(tender dangling parts)when walking; women don’t so…begin
    by walking pigeon-toed with your weight on the balls of your feet
    (like you have to do in heels) with shorter steps(again like in
    heels). Imagine that your knees aren’t allowed to go past each other
    and use your calves to move(I’ve heard it described as having a rope
    loop around your knees to restrict movement there). Walk as if you
    are astraddle a 3 inch wide road or parking lot paint stripe and
    trying to place your feet just touching either side, but not quite on
    it. If anything ever touches the stripe it should be the toes only.
    Watch the GG’s, that’s their average. There’s the correct stride, now
    the fun part…shifting your weight!

    Let your hip/back area relax, and let the foot on the ground bear
    your weight while allowing the weightless side to drop while it’s
    foot glides forward just above the ground. This will cause the
    unweighted hip to move in a circular motion when seen from the side,
    which is where the real difference lies! The outside of your hips
    will describe a circle, first forward, then down, going up as the
    foot touches and begins to carry weight, up and back as the other
    foot does it’s thing. Look at women from the side and you’ll see that
    this circular movement is universal. Think and feel happy and bouncy
    and put a bit of spring in your step.

    Look at real-life women and you’ll see that their walk varies from
    almost runway-model to nearly no hip movement at all, but all have
    that circular motion, and their lower center of gravity causes their
    hips to lead, not their shoulders. Where does the big difference lie?
    The arms and shoulders! Women’s elbows are rearward and tucked in at
    rest. When they move forward they move outward; women need the
    clearance here(sides of the tender breasts)while men don’t. Women’s
    arms almost never totally dangle, so keep the elbow slightly bent,
    turn the hands inward(like the hips there is a shoulder blade/arm
    bone structure difference here); and let the swinging movement happen
    at the shoulder as you walk. Also keep the wrists slightly flexed
    back as well while moving, but relax them when you stop. If you get
    the hip movement correct, the arm-swinging movement timing will occur
    naturally. Keep your shoulders square to your body and held back;
    women have good upper posture which pushes their breasts out so
    they’ll look bigger. . Pigeon-toed short-stepping is enough for most
    pretty looking TG’s to pass well but like the rest of passing, if you
    can do better then do so!

    A very pretty TS friend of mine has everything going for her but
    instantly gets read wherever she goes. She just will not work on her
    leg position and movement; she sits spread-legged and walks like a
    gorilla and oneday I hope to finally convince her by using a
    videocamera to tape an outing. I’d give half of what’s left of my
    life to have her potential for success…In the meantime, since my
    looks are only fair(I gladly accept any money for facial surgery),
    then I’ll depend on my movements to pass. It works quite well for me,
    and on the good days I never get read; bad days I pass at the 95%
    plus level. If I can do this well, then anyone else can too!

    Penny T.

    Source: yahoo group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Passing

  • Adrian

    Member
    26/07/2005 at 9:37 am

    Penny,

    In other words, do like I said in a previous
    message —- don’t walk like a
    ploughboy. Folks think that was said for a joke
    (and it was), but it is true.

    I have watched the deacons in church. They
    kinda “stomp” down the aisle to the front, and
    kinda stumble back through the church, taking
    up the offering —- In other words, they are not
    graceful.

    Women walk differently, but they all walk more
    gracefully. Instead of “stomping”, they seem to
    glide a little. They walk with their heads up and
    backs straight, except older women whose backs
    have began to curve.

    Women, also, have better balance.

    (One thing I have always wondered about — how those
    female movie stars in the early 50’s could dance any
    kind of dance in high heels and hold their balance —-
    I mean, fast, high steping dances.)

    Oh well, to begin with — just walk without taking long
    steps. Hey, that is what you started with, wasn’t
    it?

    Love ya
    Billie Sue

    Source: yahoo group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Passing

  • Alice

    Member
    27/07/2005 at 12:00 am
    Quote:
    How about some ideas on how I can improve my feminine bearing—-
    especially my walk.

    In all seriousness, to achieve feminine grace, you need to learn a feminine form of dance. The best that I can suggest is belly dancing.

    You also need to improve suppleness and flexibility, so if you’re not game or are unable to find a belly dance teacher who will take male students, yoga or tai chi are acceptable for both males and females and would be beneficial.

    Alice

  • Anonymous

    Guest
    04/10/2007 at 9:37 pm

    Hi everyone , I found a good way of adapting to your walk is to have a long mirron on end of passage way . wearing heels walk up & down passage way , watching yourself in mirror , eventualy you will get the feel of the walk in your heels & can see ithe improvments by watching yourself .this helped me a lot , as i was very unsecure in heels , but now all is fine . hope this may help someone ,
    Regards Darlene.

  • Anonymous

    Guest
    14/09/2008 at 12:57 am

    The walk is my problem. Being still a new girl I am still trying to get the walk right. I’m only in 1 3/4” heels and others tell me to stride when I walk but I’m a classic when I walk. I’m 6′ 3″ in heels and look quite a sight. Goodness knows what I would be like in 4″ heel – that would be worth videoing !

    Melanie

  • Anonymous

    Guest
    15/09/2008 at 1:48 am

    Hi Mel, Sue here. The higher the heel the shorter the step. I now wear 4 inch heels easily making me 6foot 6. When I met up with you the other day I had 3 inch heels, just got to watch the heels in soft ground though. Walk on the ball of your foot, like your trying to walk on your toes. Make sure you put your foot down under you, close to your centre of gravity so you don’t wobble. Look up and aim in a straight line. Becomes easier after a while, feels quite natural, looks sexy and when you take your heels off walk slowly to start with because your muscles and tendons in the back of your leg will have shortened and will need gentle stretching to walk flat footed again. Catch up soon, love Sue.

  • Anonymous

    Guest
    16/09/2008 at 9:30 pm

    Hi Mel

    The girls have given good advice, you need to create you own style, walk from your hips, tighten your bum like some one is about to kick you, and walk on your ball of your foot, and like Susan says, keep your foot under you to keep your centre of gracity. You dont want to fall over …. you tend to hurt your self and make an ass of your self.

    Dont try the highest heal to start with, work your way up to the hight you want.

    You will get to the stage where when you are in bare feet you will be walking on your ball of your foot and your heals will not be touching the ground.

    Your walk is one thing people notice so it is important to get it right. You do have to work on it, sometime I get told how nice I walk, other time I am told I am been lasy, so practice and it will become more natural.

    xxxx

    Kelly Jones

  • Anonymous

    Guest
    28/09/2008 at 5:22 am

    A lot depends on how confident you feel in heels. I have 3″ and they feel great for me. I don’t overstep and try to keep my head up and hold my shoulders so as to push my boobs forward and not sway with my shoulders too much. Also clinching your bum helps as it makes you use your hips to control the walk.

    This seems to have worked for me anyway.

    Helen