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Why do many state “I’m not a TS/transexual”?
So many times I see and hear many of this community state,
“Im not TS/transsexual.”
What is it about transsexuals that polarizes the trans community so vocally?
In fact, what is it about the trans community in that it needs to have so many different polarities within itself? Why do Dragqueens seem to need to feel so different than a regular crossdresser, or even a transsexual?
What is it about being transsexual that is somehow so (bad?)?
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Hi there Mari,
I don’t know.
I’ve never heard that one before.
I guess it happens, though.
I wonder if its a matter of people going on record and saying who they are?
I met a couple of drag quens somewhere a month or so ago. I loved their energy.They were young and just enjoying themselves and it was less about gender variance than it was about being outrageous, out, openly proud and openly gay.
It wasn’t an identity thing like it is with transsexuals.
With some people its a sexuality thing.I know people who get in drag so as to escape from a serious job etc and let their hair down and do karaoke somewhere.
Not an identity thing, and not a sexuality thing.
Just an escape from reality for a while.Whereas with some people its all very real and serious business and its their life.
So, i guess the trans world is many and varied personalities, with all sorts of different expressions.
Hugs,
Claire -
Hi Mari
I guess in answer to your question the backlash comes from the way most and I will qualify that I have several very close TS friends who do not act this way, view everyone who is not a TS, an example of this is from a fairly well know transexual source…
“I am a woman born transsexual. What benefit is it to me to gather under a gender-spectrum, politically correct Capital T with transgenders choosing to live as another gender, crossdressers who change their outward presentations whenever they wish, bearded men in dresses, transvestite fetishists, chicks with dicks, silicon breasted street hookers, pseudo-revolutionary gender fxxxxxx, and me?
None.
The current good intentioned passion for all encompassing inclusiveness is illogical and ill conceived. We are not all the same and never will be the same.
I am a woman. I’ve been a woman since my conception. I will remain a woman even as the worms eat my decaying body. A man born transsexual (a transman in the vernacular) has always been and always will be a man. Our gender identities are independent of either our outward societal presentations or the state of the surgical corrections to our bodies.”
If and when you come accross these zelots of which there are many you will understand how come TS’s get such a bad wrap from the rest of the community. An especially strong force is the WBT’s (women born transexuals) who’s firm belief is that if you have not had SRS then you are nothing more than a man in a dress if TG and anything less than that you are a panty tosser.
My hope for the future is that the generation coming up will be more broader minded and that the research into genes and brain development will finally answer the questions. Maybe then the divisions will get less.
But until then I guess the natural human reaction will be to treat the elitest the way they deserve.
hugz
Rhi
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hi… yes there are a lot who think this way , ill just use , this i am a transfemale or a women , one who is growing as a women i dont think ill stop not yet for a long while & then will i ever get there . dont think so yet i can live with that so for me . i am a women i live as a women & just accepted as one , yes for me thats just ,,,so ,,,neat . the other terms. i dont use then no need . i wonder if it makes any odds . oh well not to me there are just so many people . we are not all the same so as we see past that we can get on with just living & yes have some fun along the way…..noeleena…
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The current good intentioned passion for all encompassing inclusiveness is illogical and ill conceived. We are not all the same and never will be the same.
I’m glad
we are all in the one group because if we were split into seperate groups finding anyone who is going through similar stuff would be near impossible
where would i start I’m a non-binary non-op m2b (male to both) transgendered person where would i even start? -
Maybe the idea of this community is better examplified by a comparision.
Imagine combining the French, Italian, Greek, and American armies in a battle against a common foe? While a greater mass may not be fielded against a single enemy, imagine the co-ondination issues and such that go with such endeavour?
The trans community is like that combined force, give it direction and some effective leadership, it will decimate any opposition. Without…
well, umm, take a look at where we stand right now…. -
A lot of separate groups forming their own interest areas give no momentum to any cause. We suffer because the numbers of self interest groups in our genre dilutes our efforts to be heard, known and understood.
Gay groups have combined to great effect. Why, therefore don’t we?
Hugs
Helen
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why is it we worry so much about who others see themselves as who they are transexual female trapped in male body from birth crossdresser etc .
At the risk of offending post op transexuals preop etc I ILL SAY MY VIEW ON THIS
I for years called self a crossdresseras I FELT I WAS A MAN Wantign to crossdress it was later in life i realised why i thought this and sought help asi realsied to b happy true to self i had to transition.
I am in reality now a preop transexual I WISH TO GO I COULD SAY BORN GENTIC FEMALE BUT I CAN NOT
All transexual or most must admit they were before understanding selves crossdressers. IT TO ME IS A PROGRESSION.
Some find to be true self the need to go on hormones others fidn there happy crossdressing to me we are all sisters as vampi says . We shouls just ofcus on beeign there for each other through forums like this the chat room making friends who understand . I CARE NOT WHAT another terms hers self what i care for is her emotional wellbeeing and happiness in beeing who she is cross dresser transexual transfemm drag queen.
lesbian transexual gay transexual straight trans crossdresser / bi stright omg the names we can come up with:))
Love and happiness to all
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Jessica said..
Quote:All transexual or most must admit they were before understanding selves crossdressers. IT TO ME IS A PROGRESSION.If transvestism and cross dressing are but degrees of of the spectrum that is transgenderism, with transsexualism being the ultimate state of being within that spectrum, does that mean that anyone who claims that they aren’t or could never be TS in denial of who they are and what they will most likely end up being?
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Quote:If transvestism and cross dressing are but degrees of of the spectrum that is transgenderism, with transsexualism being the ultimate state of being within that spectrum, does that mean that anyone who claims that they aren’t or could never be TS in denial of who they are and what they will most likely end up being?
No, because TS is not the ultimate state of being. It is simply the position at one end of the spectrum. Each individual has a place on that spectrum at any given time. Some people will move along the spectrum in one direction or the other and find a new position from time to time while others will remain at the one position for the whole of their life. There is no reason to assume that everybody will gravitate to being TS.
Alice
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Please note that TgR forums are not to be used to attack any other member or their views.
Amanda
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Mari as usual in myh life seems i have doen said wrong.. I NEER MEANT TO IMPLYY CROSSDRESSERS ARE IN DENIAL BUT RATHER DRAW THE POINT FROM MY POINT OF VIEW FOR WHAT ITS WORTH IS THAT WE ALL ARE CROSSDRESSERS TO BEGIN WITH SOME COME TO REALSIE THERE TRANSEXUAL
others are nottransexual and therefore stay as crossdressers as for denial denial was in my case a truth yes but i dare not assuem the same for others i have no right to do this>
I just was hoping ot mae a poitn it seesm we often talk of diffrences transexual crossdressers and to me we all sister so if o ffendd others im sorry -
These kinds of threads tend to divide rather than unite.
I’ve seen it before, many times, on other forums.
My original reply was inteded to try and diffuse this.I believe in being all inclusive.
However, the anger reflected in this thread is palable.
The passive agression is as palpable as the raging anger.Anger is a pointless poison.
Tt doesn’t work.
Its about power.Everybody evolves.
Hopefully the angry people can evolve out of their anger.Claire
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Quote:These kinds of threads tend to divide rather than unite.
I’ve seen it before, many times, on other forums.
ClaireI agree with the view of Claire and Jade – careless posting in forums does nothing to unite our community.
This thread might have run for longer if the original topic had been selected to emphasise how the community can unite rather than highlighting an example of how we sometimes divide.
I have culled some posts off this thread but left it active because some of the postings show how we can move forward in a positive way to embrace all in the community.
I intend to make it clearer in the terms of use of the forums that I will not allow them to descend into the bitch/infighting so common elsewhere.
As an example – perhaps this thread should have asked the question
If a transgendered person says they are different from a transexual how can we convince them that we are in fact all in the one community? -
As no-one here seems to have understood what this thread was about… I will repost the intial questions.
Quote:So many times I see and hear many of this community state,“Im not TS/transsexual.”
What is it about transsexuals that polarizes the trans community so vocally?
In fact, what is it about the trans community in that it needs to have so many different polarities within itself? Why do Dragqueens seem to need to feel so different than a regular crossdresser, or even a transsexual?
What is it about being transsexual that is somehow so (bad?)?
Nowhere had it been stated that TS are better than CD or anything else that lies within the gender spectrum. I actually asked why being TS is seen as so bad by the rest of the gender variant community, most especially crossdressers.
Seperatism in any form was not promoted.
I wish to know who I allegedly attacked in post.
I asked these questions in an effort to understand the mindset of the community. The question is not going to go away just because it may make some people uncomfortable.
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Here we go … again…..
This forum is not to be used to explore differences in the community – only how we can unite.
The topic as it has now been restated was the one many of the posters addressed. But phrased in this way just encourages people to highlight what the differences are without being asked to suggest positive ways of overcoming them.
As such I don’t want to go round the loop again.
So topic locked.,,,As to not understanding the effect of personal attacks I just wonder who is reading what is said.
I deleted a blatant attack on another member’s posting style which developed into a public exchange between you – resulting in the other member saying she would resign. This has happened before and quite frankly is the exact opposite of what I mean when I talk about working together as a community.
