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  • Adrian

    Member
    28/05/2005 at 12:42 pm

    Alice I’ve put a copy of your post here under serious stuff – because I’ve looked at the article and I think that is just what it is.
    Firstly thank you for posting the link – and
    secondly can I recommend others to read it.

    As Alice says, the article is long,
    and it does fall into the simplification trap of cleanly categorising people into exclusive silos. Psychologists just love that!!
    But it does address in a sometimes confronting way many of the issues that are obviously surpressed in our community.
    From my years of experience talking to members of Seahorse (and my own personal journey) I found much of what the author wrote rings true.
    I know others will find this article challenging – but try to ask if what is beind said is true – rather than is it what we would like to hear.

    I look forward to hearing what others think.

  • Adrian

    Member
    29/05/2005 at 8:25 am

    For someone who claims to be an author I was surprised that Ellen
    (the owner of http://www.barkingduck.net/ehayes/ ) had copied the article “Women Who Once Were Boys” onto her web site without any attribution as to where she copied it from.
    I don’t approve of this sort of disrespect of copyright.

    It isn’t too hard to track down the real author Joseph Henry Press and the posting of the article on the web at http://www.nap.edu/books/0309084180/html/139.html
    It is part of a book called The Man Who Would Be Queen: The Science of Gender-Bending and Transsexualism

    I would encourage people to read the article here and not to go to Ellen’s presumably illegal copy.

  • Alice

    Member
    30/05/2005 at 1:11 am
    Quote:
    For someone who claims to be an author I was surprised that Ellen
    (the owner of http://www.barkingduck.net/ehayes/ ) had copied the article “Women Who Once Were Boys” onto her web site without any attribution as to where she copied it from.
    I don’t approve of this sort of disrespect of copyright.

    It isn’t too hard to track down the real author Joseph Henry Press and the posting of the article on the web at http://www.nap.edu/books/0309084180/html/139.html
    It is part of a book called The Man Who Would Be Queen: The Science of Gender-Bending and Transsexualism

    I would encourage people to read the article here and not to go to Ellen’s presumably illegal copy.

    I must apologise.

    I certainly don’t support this type of theft of intellectual property (that’s what failure of attribution is) and had no idea that the link that I posted had any such issue. 😳

    I originally found the link when googling for something like “crossdresser passing”, read the whole article and thought that it might be of interest to others.

    I guess that you could say that I posted the link in good faith, in much the same way as the Seahorse magazine has previously published at least one article submitted by a member without realising that the article was stolen from a tranny radio girl’s web site and not attributed. It’s a minefield out there. ❗

    Alice

  • Anonymous

    Guest
    25/06/2005 at 10:27 am

    Hi Alice,

    From my reading on autogynephilia – it has become very devisive and the discussions have become very heated. It would seem many TSs disagree with the theory and, indeed, repudiate any idea that their gender dysphoria developed from a sexual seed. But I think some of the ideas have been a little misrepresented

    I think there is a lot of merit in it – inasmuch as I have seen/read about too many older trannies who seem to have gone through or are going through a feminisation process to becoming transexual. Now they will say that they suppressed their feelings in the past?

    On the other side I am aware of a few others who, after many years of suppression and no cross dressing at all, have moved from total ‘maledom’ to transition at a great rate of knots.

    In my own case I wanted to be a girl and felt I ought to be female from a very young pre-pubescent age – and, while that feeling has fluctuated in urgency and intensity, generally it has remained fairly consistent.

    But whatever it isn’t a simple issue.

    Fiona xx