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Hormones for breast growth
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Hi thanks for that, thats the one I thought it was well I might try it sounds like it may help but I guess over all the thing thats working the most is the hormones but if I can help it a little I will thanks for your help Silvia xxx
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I was reading on the Crones hormones digests just this week warning against the use of Phytoestrogens in particular if you are on HRT.
Now I don’t know one way or another but I suggest you join the group and check out what is said for yourself as there is a lot of info there and you can come to your own conclusions.
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If you are looking for Vitasoy Vitality – safeways have it in their “Longlife milk” section.. (in vic…) they’ve got a 3 for $6.00 special at the momentSally
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Quote:I was reading on the Crones hormones digests just this week warning against the use of Phytoestrogens in particular if you are on HRT.
Now I don’t know one way or another but I suggest you join the group and check out what is said for yourself as there is a lot of info there and you can come to your own conclusions.
Thanks for this too might might go back to plan A eat heaps of chicken I need to put a bit of weight on anyway, but I exercise so much in the last 3 days I have done 15 hours of exercising I love it its what I do. It would be very hard to be a couch potato its not gonna happen but I would like to put on about 4kgs so hopefully the hormones can do their thing lov chels xxxx
ps Also I tried to join this forum but its hard to get in they won’t just let you sign up it has to be approved, last time They wanted me to state why I wanted to join what hormones I was on so I backed out cause it looks like they where only there to help menopause women so I sort of didn’t reply but any way might have another short at it xxxx
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Hi
This link has some interesting details on Phytoestrogens, and the foods you would expect to find them in.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogens
Cheers Silvia
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Soy has been banned from my diet for some time now for many reasons. Again the media and the manufaturers have hyped up a frenzy on the benifits, ignoring the disadvantages. See further down *1*
Bombarding your body with phytoestrogens, Silvia/Chelsea, can have negative effects in other areas of the body like hemagglutinin.
You will need to look at other disadvantages as well. Moderation in foods like soya probably would not be a really big issue but the quantities you are considering is something else.
You will also have to look at all the other additives in Vitasoy to see if over dosing these will have harmfull effects.
Yes, you will get very limited advantages in breast growth. Been there, done that.
Apart from other effects Soy will only act as a mild anti-androgen by filling some of the testosterone receptors and promoting mild estrogenic effects.If you want breasts and sexual drive at the same time use Bountiful Breasts. Yes it is expensive. I have experienced it for over a year before perscription drugs. I still had sexual drive and went up to a B+ breast size. As BB and anything else. if you want to grow breasts you will need body fat. My band width was 107cms and measuring over the boobs was 119cms at the time of discontinuing. I went to perscription drugs as I need a anti-androgen with BB as well which on a limited trial run was very effective with BB, but the doctor wanted me off BB if he was to treat me.
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http://pregnancychildbirth.suite101.com/article.cfm/should_you_stay_away_from_soy
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Researchers at Harvard have discovered that when men eat foods containing soy, their sperm concentration was lower than the men who did not eat the soy-based products. In fact the men who ate the most soy had 41 million less sperm per milliliter than the control group. This interesting finding proves that soy does affect hormones and may increase infertility in men.Women too can be affected by adding soy to their diets. One study in the UK on premenopausal women looked at women who were given 60 grams of soy protein per day for one month. Not only did the soy disrupt their menstrual cycle for that month, but the affects continued for a full three months after stopping the high soy protein diet.
Why does Soy Affect Hormones?
Soy contains estrogen-like compounds called isoflavins. Isoflavins belong to a family of chemicals called flavonoids which are known to be endocrine disruptors. Even though they are technically not hormones, these isoflavins act like hormones and in the case of soy products, work to fight against parts of our bodies that play a crucial role in the endocrine system, such as the thyroid gland.Read more at Suite101: Should You Stay Away from Soy?: The Dangers of Soy’s Hormonal Effect on Adults and Children | Suite101.com http://pregnancychildbirth.suite101.com/article.cfm/should_you_stay_away_from_soy#ixzz0ZVOq5oVx
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/12/29/The-7-Foods-Experts-Wont-Eat.aspxSoy infant formula is also on this list and is one of the absolute worst foods you can give your baby.
Unfermented soy products have been linked to everything from reproductive disorders and infertility to cancer and heart disease.
Further, unfermented soy contains isoflavones that are clearly associated with reduced thyroid function. Eating unfermented soy products is likely the single largest cause of hypothyroidism in women.
Another major problem with unfermented soy is that it contains natural toxins known as “antinutrients.” This includes a large quantity of inhibitors that deter your enzymes needed for protein digestion.
While a small amount of these antinutrients would likely not be a problem, the amount of soy that many Americans are now eating (and drinking in the form of soy milk) is quite significant.
The result of consuming too many of soy’s antinutrients is extensive gastric distress and chronic deficiencies in amino acid uptake, which can result in pancreatic impairment and cancer.
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Quote:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/CRONE_portal
ps Also I tried to join this forum but its hard to get in they won’t just let you sign up it has to be approved, last time They wanted me to state why I wanted to join what hormones I was on so I backed out cause it looks like they where only there to help menopause women so I sort of didn’t reply but any way might have another short at it xxxx
To join this group you have to explain why. Just say you are on HRT and am interested in further information on this topic (from memory I did state what I ws taking at the time). If you are on M2F and on HRT they will welcome you. Plenty of us M2F in there and a ton of info.
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Anthea: I was a member of that yahoo group for a few years – really there are so few posts (maybe 1 or 2 a week) that I dont think you are missing out on any info you cant find elsewhere.
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Hi,
That why I take natural estrogens“After remaining stable at around five percent between 2004 and 2006, breast cancer rates then began to rise again, even though HRT use remained low. The researchers claim this is an indication that HRT simply speeds up tumor growth, as opposed to directly causing it.”
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Hi Again.
Please note that perscription hormone replacement extrogen is a synthetic product. As drugs go, natural products as bovine estrogen cannot be patiented and therefor the drug mafia will promote their product instead of natural alternarives. They do not have your health in mind is widely published, just $’s see http://www.mercola.com
As the synthetic estrogen molecular configuration is different to natural extrogen there could be side effects like cancer and other. The synthetic estrogen make have other effect that are hidden by drug mafia, not simitted to FDA & TGA or just unknown.
Just look at the molecular difference between estrogen and testoserone. Not much, right? Look at the different effects male/female. Now look at the synthetic estrogen molecule? Sure this molecule can feminise as a side effect of this moleule but what can of worms can that open that are unknown or hidden?
One of the drawbacks of pharmacitual drugs is that the active ingrediants have been produced in a test tube or refined from natural products. All or most co-factors have been removed. Just reflect on the co-factors to halp absorb your daily vitamin C. This was not the case decades ago. All foods contain co-factors to support absorption assisting the body not depleting it. In its concentrated form drugs can be very benificial to do a particular job but once that job is completed ie as in a operation, then revert to natural forms where possible. This is what I have done after my open heart surgery and I am excelling on my own program and slowly going off drugs rather than more being added. So co-factors are very important.
Another example is in today’s processed foods. They do not contain natural enzymes to break down the food so these enzymes have to be robbed from some where else in the body which makes the body less efficient and can lead to other issues mostly over time. Put standard fuel into a racing car.
That is why I suggest thyroplex from http://www.life-enhancement.com for over 40’s. I have proven that to be quite powerful in past submissions
As bovine estrogen is the same as human estrogen and easily recognised by the body and since thyroplex is complete with natural co-factors there is no getting hungry as a side effect of taking synthetic estrogen that I used to experience. The side effect of hunger means there is a deificency in the body to support non co-factored synthetic estrogen. Not only that, the short fall is depleted somewhere else in the body to do certain other functions and a cascade of other side effects may result.Yes you doctor will say if something is going amiss there are no studies or experiments on humans on bovine estrogen. Granted, but do look at the effects of synthetic estrogen verses the natural bovine alternative. Of course the decision is yours
But if you do continue and start synthetic estrogen then go one step further. In this day of malnutritioned processed foods where you are eating more to satisify youself and gain weight, you should help the body by doing a detoxifing and eat raw foods that are nutritious as well. Yes organic whole foods do cost more as well but what I have found out is that you only eat half of it anyway as it is nutritious and would help stave of hunger when taking synthetic estrogen and lose weight
No, you want to continue the way you are? So be it. Look around you at the epidemic health issues of today. Now look into the past. How many were obese 100yrs ago?
Nutritious food is a life style
JeorjetteModerator
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Hi Georjette
I have just read your recent posts very carefully & I have checked out the websites that you have referred to.
This is not a criticism of you or your beliefs. But I feel I must re-buke some of the “facts” that you refer to.
I agree entirely with you that prescription oestrogen is synthetic. I think that we have gone away from using pregnant mare’s urine as a source of “natural” oestrogen. Although it is still available.
Bovine oestrogen! Hmm! We are not horned hooved herbivores – at least the last time I looked. For many years we used bovine insulin for type 1 diabetics. Unfortunately that had many unacceptable side-effects. The molecule has 4 amino-acids different from human insulin. Not much I grant you but enough to cause trouble. So a switch was made to pig insulin (only 2 amino acids different) but still there were problems. Finally synthetic HUMAN insulin came along. The previous problems disappeared. Don’t get me wrong synthetic insulin is not the answer to the “maiden’s prayers” but it is a hell of a lot better than cattle insulin.
The same can be said for bovine oestrogen – it is natural in cattle but it is not natural in humans.
You are correct again – artificial stimulation of breast tissue – no matter the source of stimulation could cause breast cancer over time. That is why I would like to see more research done into TG health – for example; when & if we need mammograms etc.
You are also correct there is not much difference between oestrogen molecules & testosterone molecules & even cholesterol – the base product from which the above are made. But as I said earlier only a few amino acids can make all the difference.
You make the leap from oestrogen to Vitamin C. That is a giant unfounded leap of faith. Oestrogen is synthesised within the body it is NOT absorbed (unless you are on HRT). Therefore there are no natural co-factors. VitC on the other hand is absorbed from some foods that we eat. And yes co-factors are involved with its asbsorption. It is not manufactured by the body; hence it is a “vitamin” – ie; vital for life. Likewise there are 20 amino acids that we do not synthesize & without them we die. Hence they are called the “essential” amino acids. And yes like a factory the body synthesizes things! Oestrogen is made from cholesterol.
You note the absence “natural enzynes” in processed foods. Thus implying that the body needs these enzymes to digest foods. Unfortunately that is NOT correct. Any food taken in by the body is broken down by the body’s own enzymes & they are not borrowed from elsewhere. That just does not make sense to suggest that they are – how can can a digestive enzyme be situated elsewhere outside the GIT (gastro-intestinal- tract)? Do you think that it would differentiate between a piece food & say your spleen? Come now; enzymes are not recruited from other parts of the body. Plus they cannot change roles.
Thyroplex! Bovine thyroid extract from NZ. It does NOT contain oestrogen of any sort. I have checked your web reference; life-enhancement.com & it does not make the claim that it does. I used their search engine to check for bovine oestrogen & drew a blank. Finally bovine oestrogen is NOT the same as human oestrogen. It may have some oestrogenic effects just the same as pregnant mare’s oestrogen & plant phyto-oestrogens do but it is NOT the same as human oestrogen & you have NO validity to say that is is recognised as the same as oestradiol in the body. That reminds me, there are three oestrogens that the human body produces – which one are you refering to?
Finally I agree with you, that most of our foods are over processed & that we would be served better by eating raw or lightly cooked food. I also admit the the pharma giants are profit motivated. However without them there would not be the innovations that are constantly occuring and producing better & more selective medicines/drugs.
My final assertion is that your underlying physiology & science does not stand up to rigorous scrutiny. Also your other reference; Dr Mercola – he is an osteopath!
I am very sorry to hear that you required open heart surgery & I hope that you make a speedy recovery from that.
Lisa
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I have been following the hormone thread with great interest.Particularly in relation to chicken consumption.A few years ago in South America,during one of their many insurgent wars,many refugees were forced across neghbouring borders into poor countries that were ill equipped to feed themselves,let alone the added burden of cross border refugees.The United Nations started sourcing local food for the refugee camps.The cheapest and most abundent food source was chicken.Unknown to officials,the locals had been augmenting the growth of their chickens by the use of unprescribed birth control pills.The first warning signs were gynaemastia in men/males and precocious puberty in toddlers.Not of practical use to us but thought this subject would be f interest.XNadesha
Quote:Quote:I was reading on the Crones hormones digests just this week warning against the use of Phytoestrogens in particular if you are on HRT.Now I don’t know one way or another but I suggest you join the group and check out what is said for yourself as there is a lot of info there and you can come to your own conclusions.
Thanks for this too might might go back to plan A eat heaps of chicken I need to put a bit of weight on anyway, but I exercise so much in the last 3 days I have done 15 hours of exercising I love it its what I do. It would be very hard to be a couch potato its not gonna happen but I would like to put on about 4kgs so hopefully the hormones can do their thing lov chels xxxx
ps Also I tried to join this forum but its hard to get in they won’t just let you sign up it has to be approved, last time They wanted me to state why I wanted to join what hormones I was on so I backed out cause it looks like they where only there to help menopause women so I sort of didn’t reply but any way might have another short at it xxxx
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A little further information on chicken bits and chicken consumption.Chickens(male) used to be be routinely castrated or caponised.Chickens bought from supermarkets these days are sold without giblets.The reason is that caponisation is now achieved via a hormone estrogen pellet injected into the neck of the animal.The hormones are effective for both sexes in the promotion of growth but are mostly used for male birds.Hence no giblets.
Hope this helpful.XNadesha
