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L. G. (little Girl)
My question concerns LG. If you’re not familiar with the term it’s simply ‘Little Girl’. At it’s simplest level, some cross dressers like to wear the frilly dresses of little girls, as I see it this can range from baby to pre teen party clothes. There are a few sites that portray this life style and, to be honest I think they look cute, what’s the difference between this and the french maids costume, a wedding dress?
This thought was spurred by correspondence between myself and a cross dresser who offered her thoughts on enjoying this, she sent me some pics of her in this sort of outfit. I thought she looked cute, the dresses pretty and said so. In fact, come to think of it, my wife and I were on holiday in Thailand and while wondering through a large department store she noticed, in the girls clothing section, there seemed to be lots of beautiful frily childrens dresses. Layered with petticoats, satin and lace, heaps of frills which prompted her to say out loud, “Here’s what you need. I wonder if they have your size in these?”. She can be very droll..
But! Of course there is a but! I tend to go off on tangents and mentioned to my correspondent that although I did like them, and had admired others who dressed in the LG style, Princess Eli and Tiffany Tuesday come to mind, I worried that some sites depicting this were bordering on paedophelia. My friend was horrified at the thought that anyone might think she was of this ilk, I was sorry, embarrassed to have caused her such distress, nothing was further from my mind, I thought her clothes looked cute and said so.
My question is what are your thoughts? I think some look cute and can see no harm maybe I’m being naive, I would love to hear from you on this subject. -
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I don’t think it has anything to do with paedophilia, at least, not for me. I love Little Girl dresses because they’re the essence of femininity, girliness and innocence. And they’re just so darned pretty!
In my case, I think I was ‘imprinted’ with the love of such garments because my older sisters used to dress me up in their party frocks, when I was very young.
But no one I’ve associated within the LG ‘thing’ has shown the slightest sexual interest in actual little girls. Often , it’s the feeling of being a male, dressed, or being made to dress up, in little girl fashions, that gives the ‘buzz’.
But, to be honest, I have heard of one paedophile who dressed his boy victims up in girls’ dresses before assaulting them. But he was not interested in dressing up, himself. But I think it’s the clothing, not the children, that is the interest to us LG dress lovers.
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While this style of dress is of no interest to me personally, I find the phenomena interesting. If we are males ” dressing up” as females then I believe that gives us the freedom to be any type of female that we choose!
If the image of a male dressed as a” little girl “turns on a poedophile then is it our responsibility? One could argue that if that happened , it would be preferable to them using a child’s image for that purpose!
I think that Grayson Perry is an interesting example of one interested in dressing in this manner and he has an interesting psychological reason for his preference, centred around his abusive childhood experiences. His websites make interesting reading. -
Quote:I think that Grayson Perry is an interesting example of one interested in dressing in this manner and he has an interesting psychological reason for his preference, centred around his abusive childhood experiences. His websites make interesting reading.
I have communicated with Grayson, he is a lovely person. Thank you all for your comments, I fear I may have inadvertantly upset a friend and of course this was not my intent. I have come across pictures of young women in LG dresses in provocative poses ans it’s possible that this is what made me think of the suject. Anyway, I appologise if I caused any distress.
I wonder does the LG look come from the fact that as males we never go through the little girl stage as youngsters, real little girls playing dress ups and wearing all the frilly things that mothers sometimes dress their daughters in? Sadly mine never did it for me, so far as I know and my sister was well past that stage when I was old enough to go snoping for thigs to wear, until the petticoat era and then I made up for it. -
It’s really only since I came on the internet that I realized that there was a sub-set of crossdressers who were into wearing little girl clothes. When I did make the discovery the pictures made me cringe and I thought it was all a bit weird. Pot calling the kettle black – eh?
Then when I was active on Roses Forum there was a thread there a bit similar to this one though some of the views were more strident. The late Kristina, who was herself an ALG, explained her feelings etc. using many of the same words as Michelle and I suppose I got a better understanding of ALGs. Even so, I still have these contradictory views – on the one hand I think trannydom should be inclusive because we do seem to have a tendency to exclude those who are not quite in the same mould as ourselves. On the other hand, I don’t like it when the media latch on to folks from sub-sets as if they are representative of the whole community.
In Grayson Perry’s case, I just wonder whether that is what happened. He accepted the Turner Prize as Claire in the frilly dress – then he was the subject of a C4 documentary ‘Why men were frocks’ – and he clearly defines himself as a transvestite – not an ALG.
But maybe the UK public are smart enough these days to realize that the labels crossdresser, transvestite and transgenders cover a broad spectrum of lifestyles – well probably those people, who know what the Turner Prize is, do. And after all Eddie Izzard is out there too re-balancing perceptions.
Personally I think my 17YO daughter can reluctantly get her head my gender dysphoria and the resultant need to dress as a woman but somehow I doubt she’d understand me slipping into an adult version of her 5th birthday party dress – even if I did look cute.
Helen, it’s all very complex…did I mention that to you before? Oh yes and my mum did dress me up in my sister’s clothes when I was 8 and took me next door to show the neighbours. I was scarred for life as you can see but I didn’t develop a fetish for little girl clothes.
Fiona xx
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Quote:I am the member Helen refers to regarding the LG photos. My shock and subsequent reaction to remove the photos stems from my worries that maybe Helen’s concerns could be valid and that other members might have been offended by them. I also felt ashamed of myself for not even considering the paedafilia connection, it had never entered my mind till now. Helen and I have better understanding of each others feelings on this matter now and I would like to offer my thoughts for you ladies to consider.
These emotions are very intense and the paedafillia thing doesn’t enter into it at all for me.As you can see my innocent albeit thoughtless observation has caused Muffin some severe distress which upsets me. I wasn’t suggesting what she was doing had some paedophile connotations and I certainle didn’t suggest or even think that what she was doing was shameful. I would never have said this if I had realised it could be misconstrued.
As she has said we have had further discussion and she now realises that I was just voicing toughts that would have been more obvious, easier said and understood face to face instead of via e-mail where we lose the subtleties and nuances of voice and body language.
I hope this will put the subject to rest -
Maybe it is me, hopefully not, I partake of a world wide chat/quiz every Sunday with LGs.
Yes, there is a quiz for LGs, it eminates from Manchester in England and has LGs from Australia, The USA, UK, Germany on occasion, Japan, Russia to name a few countries.Sometimes we have the occassional ABg turn up, but they usually find the topics discussed a bit beyond ABg, and more LG (ABg= Adult Baby Girl)
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I see the thing of dressing as a LG as people wanting to experience what they may have had a taste of earlier in life and are wanting to re experience that feeling as an adult , this time under their control. I remember my older sister dressing me in her ballet dress and me feeeling just how wonnderful it felt .Of course dressing like this for me was “forbidden ‘ and I grew up envying my sister for being able to dress like this and also dress in other girlly gear whilst I was restricted to very drab male gear. As I see it dressing as a LG (or wanting to) when adult is just a mechanism to make up for lost time …
The same probably can be said for a lot of dressing – many of us started dressing regularly as we went into our 40s and 50 s probably because we not only had realised our dressing urge was with us to stay but also be cause we had personal circumstances which enabled us to dress without discomfort
Thats my view
Hugs
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While I have been a member of TR for many years and CD since I was 7 ( I’m now 57!) and a regular reader of the forums, this is the first time I have entered the discussions. My applogies and thanks to those that do contribute.
I am a long standing LG and I would like to give another reason for the ‘need’ to dress as such. I started dressing LG in my 40’s. I think there are two reasons why it started then. Firstly my physic is, as the nice man in Harrods once said when fitting me for a suit ” You are what we call the athletic shape”. That means I have broad shoulders and a large chest. Now as you girls all know a 40 year old bloke with a very male body does not look good in every day street fem cloths. So when I first put on a very frilly dress with a petti and accutraments to match, I felt transformed!!
It was so outragous that it was believable!!
Even without hair and makeup I was carried into the the world of feminity that I so craved. So now I have acquired quite a collection and incidently not one is french maid! (Although I now have a passion Gothic Lolita – God knows what that means? )
The second reason is that it just feels faaabulous!! All those frills and lace!
My biggest regret is not being able to share my passion with other LGs. There are so few of us in Oz and I am yet to meet up with someone that just shares that passion without the ‘other’, if you know what I mean!
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Hi everyone,
LG Little girl is a I see it just one part of the whole experience of trans-gender and whilst I don’t as yet have a frilly little dress (but am envious of those that do!!!) I understand that I want to wear such a dress because it is an expression I wish to make, doesn’t matter if its public or private. I believe also that there is NO dressing style a-typical of the trans community, heck I go Gothic styled and that’s my style. I still like to wear short dresses with either mary-jane shoes or knee high boots, I still like to express myself in whatever and whichever was I feel correct at the time.
My childhood was not with dressing in siblings clothing, I am the youngest of three, all boys and so, well it was neva available to me. So if I put on a frilly dress etc then I am exercing the chance to get in touch with that childhood part of me that didn’t happen but yearns to be contacted and enjoyed within the safe boundaries of adulthood.I go for school uniforms too, yep, terribly fetishee, but hey its fun. When I recieved my Miss Fairday award (here in Canberra in 2002) it was as school girl.
We must understand and give room to appreciate that the Trans community is made up of all sorts of people and that these people have a limitless style and forms of dress-ing expressions, whether you are TV, CD, TG or TS. We can all be judges but we must not be JURY and EXCUTIONER when it comes to others. I say… Embrace the uniqueness that is expressed and celebrate this and eveything else about us, and do it with a smile and an honest friendly attitude.
Cheers
AbbeyJane from NewCanberraTransgenderNetwork (NewCTN)
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Quote:I have been following the replies to Helen’s concerns here with interest and some fear….I am the member Helen refers to regarding the LG photos. My shock and subsequent reaction to remove the photos stems from my worries that maybe Helen’s concerns could be valid and that other members might have been offended by them. I also felt ashamed of myself for not even considering the paedafilia connection, it had never entered my mind till now.
I think the only paedophile thing you need to worry about is being nabbed by a man whilst skipping down the street and finding yourself tied to a bed and rapped.
I’ve never given the “Little Girl” thing a thought. There are adults who are into infantilism, does that mean they too are paedophiles? Course not. Does it mean the people who change their nappies and have sex with the “image of a baby” are – well now we have an issue!
I can’t see why anyone would be offended by Little Girl Photos. We see 12 year olds on the cover of “Men Only” magazines every day of the week. Fashion houses put 14 year olds into slutty new designer dresses flashing clits and buns to every spectator four feet beloe the models feet.
Lets get real for a moment.
Put your pics back up! I wanna see if I can look cute too!
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I should have joined TR when Amanda suggested it to me a couple of years ago. I am an enthusiastic member of Seahorse which is definately mainstream but i have also been a LG for many years. Long before the internet came on the scene and although I knew I was not unique I did not have many LG friends but the coming of the internet was a revelation and I was delighted to find there were LG”s all over the world and what did suprise me were the number of Adult Ladies who were also in the community Some I acknowledge were Mummies or Aunties but an appreciable number were plain and simply LGs.
It is I acknpwledge a little different but so are French Maids, and real maids, Goth ,victorian dresses complete with wasp waists’ If you have never worn a mid victorian dress I suggest you try it. it is delightfully feminine or mini skirts for 40 year olds and so on. We are all different but one thing we are not is a paedaphile and all LG sites strart off by saying the site is not for real little girls and any paedaphile will find nothing of interest on the site Love Little Rosie
