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  • Mx flagged as possible title for transgender

    Posted by Adrian on 08/05/2015 at 11:07 am

    From
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-05/new-title-for-transgender-and-other-gender-neutral-people/6447256

    Mx flagged as possible title for transgender and other gender neutral people, according to Oxford English Dictionary

    Quote:
    There may soon be an officially recognised title for gender neutral people, an alternative to Ms and Mr, and there has been a positive reaction to the move in Australia.

    But the new title, spelt Mx and pronounced mux, is a choice that has some people questioning whether it will succeed.

    Until now, anyone who does not identify as either male or female has had no gender neutral title to choose from…..

    Which somewhat begs the question – why do we all need a title…what is wrong with nothing. I hope this silly idea is dropped as fast as it deserves!!

    Adrian replied 9 years, 4 months ago 7 Members · 13 Replies
  • 13 Replies
  • Deleted User

    Deleted User
    08/05/2015 at 9:58 pm

    Sounds like a good idea to me. Would be good to see this adopted across the board as a way of accepting people who don’t fit in the gender binary.
    As much as Mx looks good I’m not sure that I’m completely sold on Mux but hey if it catches on I’ll definitely go with it.

  • Terri_2

    Member
    08/05/2015 at 10:50 pm

    I agree Adrian, unfortunately most, if not all, official forms & commercial orders have the title as a required field, perhaps we need to start a push to change this to optional, rather than introducing a new title

  • Adrian

    Member
    08/05/2015 at 10:56 pm

    [quote=”Terri_2″ post=26617 perhaps we need to start a push to change this to optional[/quote]

    I regularly write to businesses whose forms insist on a salutation ( e.g. for me to order something on line). I ask them why this information is mandatory and what they intend to do with it. I add that I;’m Transgender, find being called Miss, Ms or Mr offensive and don’t want to see it on my correspondence from the company. It generally gets an apology, even if they can’t get the IT guy to change the form.

    When I’m not in campaigning mode – I just select Dr or some other non-gender specific title. I would never tick Mx.

  • Jennifer_1

    Member
    09/05/2015 at 1:32 am

    I’m not convinced that Mx is a salutation that I would be comfortable with. It sounds like mixed as in mixed up. It would be nice to have some form of title that was gender neutral perhaps just M. Then it could be whatever you want it to be.

    When I started changing my details on so many documents and data bases I went with Ms. I am too old to be a Miss, I was not comfortable with Mrs, (I was married and that title was my wife’s and I will not do that to her memory).So by default I went with Ms.

    I agree with Amanda that it would be better if we had the option not to use titles, unfortunately we seem to be stuck with them for the present.

  • Carol

    Member
    09/05/2015 at 7:13 am

    I thought Mx was a silly idea from the start. Now that I know it’s pronounced Mucks I’m beginning to think it was proposed on 1 April. It’s certainly not relevant for TGs who still have a binary model as their objective, nor for those who are part-time members of another gender. For those who reject the binary model, like Adrian, many seem to reject the whole idea of labels but I guess that’s for them to say.

  • Anonymous

    Guest
    09/05/2015 at 8:48 am

    I agree Adrian, I don’t like MUX but if I had to choose then I would opt for Ms, it is supposed to be neutral isn’t it? Now, MOOSE, that would be cool!

  • Anonymous

    Guest
    09/05/2015 at 11:58 pm

    Can I suggest it just sounds like the idea of some do-gooder after little more than a warm fuzzy feeling for seeming to do something ‘good’ in a very topical environment….

  • Jennifer_1

    Member
    10/05/2015 at 12:19 am

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/the-oxford-english-dictionary-has-officially-added-the-gender-neutral-title-mx/story-fnixwvgh-1227336229531

    I found this this article just now, it looks like it is official, at least according to the Oxford Dictionary.

  • Deleted User

    Deleted User
    06/09/2015 at 1:49 am

    Mx sounds like someones sarcastic attempt to classify TG people with a reference to “x ” in maths meaning the “unknown”

    dont like it and I would not buy an oxfor dictionary Ill stick to my macquarie!!

  • Adrian

    Member
    07/09/2015 at 12:04 am
    Caroline wrote:
    Mx sounds like someones sarcastic attempt to classify TG people with a reference to “x ” in maths meaning the “unknown”

    The actual entry states:

    The Google ngram for Mx shows a steady DECREASE in use:

    Hardly surprising as all the references I saw were either to Adobe Flash MX (a dying product) and discussions about the MX missile.

    Smells of political correctness to me rather than a practical effective change to language.

    BTW: OxfordDictionaries.com doesn’t list “en femme” :) :) :)

  • Bridgette

    Member
    07/09/2015 at 11:21 am

    I’m I not overly impressed with Mx. It sounds as if someone has deleted a chromosome.
    I’m not sure how or who came up with this idea but it seems a little unimportant. I think someone has already commented on the issue where it is going to make others feel at ease rather than provide a legal title for transgender people.Heavens forbid we ever have two loving and caring transgender people try to be legally married.

  • Anonymous

    Guest
    11/09/2015 at 9:55 pm

    I almost did it. I was shopping in Rockmans for a dress and not finding what I was looking for the saleslady asked if I would like to be on there mailing list to get there sale catalogue I said ok she said she just needed a few details and asked would that be Ms or Miss ? I would have confused the poor girl if I said Mx would be fine. I was so happy to be a Ms.
    Hugs. Julie

  • Jennifer_1

    Member
    12/09/2015 at 1:43 am

    What would happen if we, as a group, started using our own title, something totally neutral. As Adrian said earlier on, most of the current titles are going to offend somebody, , which I agree with. If we used “M” as a title it would be hard for it to be any more gender neutral. Eventually people may get to realise that titles are a waste of time and drop them altogether.