Photo ID?

[Anonymous]

Wouldnt that then be fake identification, and thereby illegal?

Crossdressing isnt recognised under law at present unless you are willing to change your name, and even then the law does not bestow any further rights than to have all your present identification changed to that name.

There is a price to be paid for the right to carry proper legal female identification, and that price can be steep for some.

Are you willing to step away from being a crossdresser into the realm of transsexualism, all for a $25 voucher?

[Anonymous]

Hi Alice

I guess that if you were sent the flyer under your assumed name of Alice, the only way to proceed is take the flyer down as Alice and present it to collect your $25. Show your drivers license or another suitable ID, if questioned over the mismatch you can fall back on common law which states:

Common law provides that a person’s name is established through assumption and use of that name.
For general purposes, if evidence of a change of name is not required, a person may change their name merely by assuming a new name.

So unless it was some precondition of joining the shoping center promotions list (the devil can be in the detail) you are quite within your rights to use an alias.

You could always go and change your name to Alice at the registry office bit pricey though.

Give it a go at least you will have a good shoping trip and may get $25 bucks.

cheers

Rhi

[Anonymous]

Oooooookaaaayyyyyy, lets see how this is gonna pan out, and I might add, hopefully well for everyone involved.

Identification seems to become a major issue for many non-transsexual girls, and those who are yet to begin their transitions. Trying to get around and function in todays ID-centric society may tend to be a bit of a hassle, along with the constant worry of having to prove who you are, enfemme.

And maybe changing your name is pushing the envelope of your gender enquiry a little too much?

Maybe it’s time for some recognition of your status with regard to your need to crossdress?

Now, if I’m not wrong, isnt(or wasnt) crossdressing listed in the DSM-IV? Wouldnt that then make it a medical/psychological issue recognised by the medical community?

Further to this, I’m not asking you to declare that you are sick, or mentally unstable/ill, but I am asking you to consider something kind of radical, a touch risky, yet which could make your lives just a little easier and safer in the long term.

Lets say there existed, for example, a way to be able to go to a mental health or medical professional, explain your situation, and have them sign off on a form that you could then take to the issuer of all cards identificatory, the RTA or Births Deaths and Marriages, who would then issue you with a photo ID with your chosen nom-de-plume upon it(a legally registered alias) that would then be accepted by most authorities as viable ID? Just like a proof of age card for those who choose not to or cant hold a drivers license.

Interesting idea, huh?

Something worth lobbying for, maybe?

You tell me.

[Alice]

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Lets say there existed, for example, a way to be able to go to a mental health or medical professional, explain your situation, and have them sign off on a form that you could then take to the issuer of all cards identificatory, the RTA or Births Deaths and Marriages, who would then issue you with a photo ID with your chosen nom-de-plume upon it(a legally registered alias) that would then be accepted by most authorities as viable ID? Just like a proof of age card for those who choose not to or cant hold a drivers license.

Interesting idea, huh?

I’m sure a few people have thought of it over the years. I thought about that about two years ago. It would also make things easier for those transitioning to be able to establish their new name in parallel to their old one, rather than having to change to their new name at some point during transition and lose their old name at the same time. This would be particularly helpful for those who spend an extended period part-time during transition, such as someone who continues to work as a male but spends the rest of their life as female for 2 or 3 years, as I know some have done.

The hardest part, as I see it, would be convincing policiticans, etc that there is an actual need for this.

I think that the one very positive point about this would be to make it clear to authorities that we are not trying to use crossdressing or transition as a way of hiding our original identity, since the process would clearly connect the two identities. The biggest problem that I see then is that there is risk of inappropriate disclosure by people who have access to the information.

Alice

[Alice]

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Wouldnt that then be fake identification, and thereby illegal?

It depends on whether the ID is an official one or not. I know that one seahorse member in NSW a few years ago had a photo ID membership card of a registered club, which showed the female name and photo. Such a card is generally no good as ID for other purposes because it is not an official ID card.

The voucher has been obtained and spent, of course. I simply took the letter as male and asked if I could collect the voucher. The woman looked at the name and said “Well this is obviously not you.” I said “well actually it is” and smiled. I’m pretty sure that she thought I was kidding.

She looked at my driver’s license, which showed the same surname and address. “We’re not supposed to do this. Do you have any other ID with Alice’s name on it?” (I think that she expected something like a medicare card with both names on it) “Err, no.” “Oh, it should be okay. Just write her email address here.” She then handed me the voucher and off I went.

Alice

[Anonymous]

Not a hope in hell of seeing an identity card. the national identity card was killed stone dead by the Australian privacey foundations successful campaign, the total rejection by the senate and the abolition of the office of access card. A good thing too, not for people like us but for other good reasons, so there is no way that any politican would commit political suicide and try and raise this little chestnut for quite sometime. I believe the solution is to put on things like driving license your registered name and if you so wish a line underneath starting with AKA and your choosen name. You still have the choice if you so want to go the full way and have name changes done officially and that shortly will become a lot easier for our community.

Well done for collecting the cash, pitty you did not go as Alice you probably would have spun her right out

[Anonymous]

Something voluntary like I am suggesting would then give us ‘numbers’ which then provides us with something to bargain with during political lobbying for such things as an amended Anti Discrimination Law which would cover more of us by the changing of the definition of ‘recognised transgender’ to also cover those who have a ‘TRANNYCARD’…

[Anonymous]

For a tranny card to work what would you need?

1. Numbers of people it will apply to, this now becomes circular as we do not know or can even guess our numbers 1% or 5% something like that but we want to set the system up to find out how many of us there are?
2. For recoginition it needs to be legal and govt indorsed, as per my last post the word identity card anything is bad news as far as govt are concerned, plus govt spending is being slashed even HREOC are finding funding difficult.

Much more effective way forward would be:

1. As you rightly pointed out “changing of the definition of ‘recognised transgender”

2. Campaign to have the next census changed to find out how many of us there are.

3. Campaign to have offical documents changed to reflect 3 choices ie drivers licenses M F O.

4. Declartion of human status a document that declares you are TG/CD etc that can be signed by a JP and maybe with a photo on to.

[Alice]

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2. For recoginition it needs to be legal and govt indorsed, as per my last post the word identity card anything is bad news as far as govt are concerned, plus govt spending is being slashed even HREOC are finding funding difficult.

I was thinking more along the lines of being able to have official ID such as drivers licenses issued in both names, with nothing on either to show that they are connected, but a link on the underlying system so that the system knows that they are the same person.

Yes, funding is likely to be an issue, as is privacy for anyone using the system.

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1. As you rightly pointed out “changing of the definition of ‘recognised transgender”

Absolutely. To say that one has to be a post-op TS to be recognised as transgendered is a bit over the top. Even requiring that someone be post-op is a bit over the top to recognise that they are TS, let alone TG.

In saying that, I’m not saying that a post-op TS should be denied any rights that they would otherwise have. I believe that a post-op TS should have the legal status of being their chosen gender, with every legal right that that would imply.

What I am saying is that the rest of the TG community should be treated in a more appropriate manner than is the case right now.

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2. Campaign to have the next census changed to find out how many of us there are.

That could make a lot of people who are not out to their family lie on the census forms. Husbands who aren’t out to their wives, children who aren’t out to their parents. It might give some indication of the more out portion of the TG community but it will always result in an underestimation.

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3. Campaign to have offical documents changed to reflect 3 choices ie drivers licenses M F O.

For myself, I wouldn’t want an O. I’d prefer one license with an M and another with an F, with the photos to match.

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4. Declartion of human status a document that declares you are TG/CD etc that can be signed by a JP and maybe with a photo on to.

I’d much rather see the range of people able to sign this be the same as for a passport, as that list is far more inclusive than JPs, and there is the potential for the same rule as witnessing a passport application to apply, that being that the person must be personally known to the signer.

Okay, I’m biased because I can witness passport applications.

Alice

[Anonymous]

Dear Alice,

I am extremely disturbed by the requirement the issue of photo id as a woman which I will deal with by seperate posting.

I am disturbed as it would seem the first step in identity theft.

As an IT specialist it is a particular topic of concerned with.

Strongly recommend that you:-
1. Do not take up the matter
2. Let me know via email who the shopping centre is and I will put a stop to
the requirement for photo id.

Remember the law has not really caught up with identity theft and once it is stolen it is nightmare to get your live back.

Warmest Regards

Jen

[Anonymous]

Hi Alice,

With regards Photo Id it is somewhat of a pro9blem unless you have the final operation.

It is most unfair and most difficult and the lack of the correct gender identification has ramifications all over the place.

For example, recently I was in hospital and placed in a male ward and found it most difficult.

I would encourage you and others to make a submission on this matter to Sarah Winters of the Human Rights Commission Gender Diversity Project as they are focusing in particular on documentation.

You might wish to look at my posting in the serious stuff forum – Gender Diversity Project.

Warmest Regards

Jen

[Anonymous]

Hi, I now this is not quite what you might be looking for, but on an American TG yahoo group, one of the girls has created an id Card, that she and many others in the states have used successfully. Here is the link to her website http://heathercd.org/g/idcard.htm

On a personal note as I am living full time, and have legally change my name, and on the N.T. Drivers License, it does not show you your gender. sp I already have Photo ID as a woman.

Hugs
Sharon