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UK Gov TG Food additives after WWII
Last night I heard an odd piece of rumor.
What was said was that after the Second World War the British Government added some sort of additive to the food to alter the male.female ratio of babies being born.
This was to increase the amount of boys being born to counter the loss in the war, but this backfired and instead altered the masculine development of boys in utero, creating a population of gender modified boys.It did seem a co-incidence that at a party of about a dozen people 4 were born in the same area of UK, 2 came from the same town in England and all came from the same area area. Born between 1945 and 1960. 😮
Has anybody heard of anything like this or have any more information to add?
I have just Googled and found nothing.
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Hi, Vicki,
I have read the same thing, although I cant seem to remember where it was. I was born in Sunderland, Co Durham on July 31, 1948.
I seem to exhibit the same feminine traits that a lot of my friends from the Chameleons, here in W.A. All born about the same time, and in the same general area. It is a very strange co-incidence indeed, but, it certainly explaines a lot of things.
I will be following this thread with interest.Hugs,
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One of those Urban myths I think. The science at that time was incapable of doing anything like that … still is now actually.
I worry far more about pesticides and the like (now there is an issue).
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The other point is this is about the time plastics were developed and started to be used for anything possible. The main advantage of plastics was flexibility due to the addition of the family of chemicals called phthalates.
If you Google “phthalates + estrogen ‘ you will see a link to TG TS as phthalates mimic estrogen.
Also DDT was used quite extensively by the military during WWII and in civilian area after the war until it was banned. It breaks down very very slowly and has also been implicated in endocrine disruption . For example DDT appears to cause feminisation of male fish.
The various condition of transgender appear shortly after the introduction of these chemicals.
From the 1950s onward this condition seems to get more and more common.Vicki
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It sounds like a fantasy I used to have as a child, where a cloud of gas would pass by engulfing me and rendering me unconscious, and when I came to I had been transformed into a beautiful woman. Perhaps the DDT in those days affected the mind too, nice thought though.
Dare I add credence to this story and tell you I was born in England in the early 50’s, as well. What a shame the chemicals didn’t have a real effect on the unborn, we might have actually been born as real girls, what bliss!!!
But seriously since the war years the world has become much more tolerant of “unnatural behavior”, prior to that anyone with tendencies such as ours would have been so deep in the closet I doubt they would have ever realised their dreams in the slightest display of femininity. If they did they would most undoubtedly have been bashed at the very least.
The 60’s with its drugs and rock and roll, hippies and flower power I think gave the transgendered a way out of the closet for good. I think a club called The Wall and the horror stories of the treatment of its patrons embarrassed a large majority of the population as well. Incidents like these around the world as people emerged from hiding have seen the apparent increase in transgenderism, (my new word for the decade) and the wearing down of public displays of animosity towards the transgendered.
It would be so nice to blame our situation on a Government plot to alter the sex of unborn children, but I think we have to accept the fact that transgendered people have been around for centuries and are only increasing in numbers because of the increase in public acceptance. If you are at all suspicious of this type of government activity you might ask why there are so many Lesbians out and about in the community these days.
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The link between ones’ gender tendency and hormonal interference is fairly tenuous, there could be a lot of other factors at play such as a return of traumatized men, fresh from the War, into the community, possibly into a macho culture,eg miners, heavy industry in that area and the effect those fathers have on the development of their offspring sons. Perhaps the lack of men meant more time spent alone with women in the household? I have read that there tends to be a predominance of Engineers who are Trans so god knows what is the cause of that, sliderules perhaps??
I am convinced that there are a lot of hidden factors in human development, just as there is in other animal communities ( I just saw a doco about Titus the Gorilla and he was , as a youth, involved in a male group who were engaging in homosexual behaviour due to a lack of females, it all changed when the girls turned up!)
The problem arises when we try to simplify the explanations and formuarize the complexities of human sexuality. The reality is that humans are complex and diverse critters.
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I recently was handed a book which could shed a light on the way we are…Nothing to do with a Government covert operation after WW2, but it could explain a few things and get ideas into proper perspective.
The book is called:…Adam’s Curse….A future without men…….By Bryan Sykes….He explores the whys and wherefores of Chromosomes and the effect and control on male behaviour from the year dot, to the present day and beyond…very interesting stuff indeed…His conclusion will certainly suprise you. -
Hi girl’s…while I dont beleive in conspiracy theory’s and such,it doe’s seem unusual,as there are at least six TG girl’s I know of,all around the same age,who’s familie’s migrated from England in the sixties.what was also siad may have some bearing on the matter,about men coming back from the war traumatised,may have affected their genetics to a degree,plus with the stress of living in post war England,with rations and shortages,may have also affected th women who were pregnant at the time,as it is a well known fact that stress can affect the mother’s body whilst pregnant,which can lead to problem’s with the baby’s development in different ways…I guess it’s something we’ll never really be able to explain.
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Cate, I was not referring to the traumatized men affecting their genetics but was suggesting that their damaged state of mind may have had psychological effects on some of there sons as is the case in some TG folk ( Grayson Perry being a good example ). I think that my parents stress from the war ( in England ) as well as a fucked up Catholic history and the resultant attitudes it engendered in my mother had some effect on my life though I do not discount a propensity for a Tg outcome that I may have been born with.
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Even if this were in any way provable then it still wouldn’t explain all those that were TGed before the war, or before any of the ‘experiments’.
To me it’s just a natural mishap, just like someone that is born deaf, blind or with a lazy eye… etc.
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Yes it takes a lot to affect you genes overall. Obviously radiation, certain chemicals (or even the sun) can cause local damage for a short time, but the body has many ways to repair it. When it doesn’t fix it properly one outcome is cancer. Get total genetic damage from something = death.
Thinking back my exposure to plastics was virtually non-existant as a child until adolesence (I even remember my mother getting one of the first non-stick frying pans at about 8 or 9). But if I think back I might have had some TG traints as young as 6.
In those days pesticide/weed killer/etc usage was a tiny fraction of what it is now. Never even heard of DDT until much later in life (not many mosquitos and the like in Northern Scotland).
I worry far more now plus about the chemical soup we all live in. I also worry about the long term effects of all that lead (from petrol) we were exposed to for so many years. A component of the Altzheimers epidemic?
But I just think, at least for us olders ones, that it is just random nature. Looking historically we can see certain societies tolerating TGs for centuries.
My gut feel, for what it is worth, is this has been around for as long as mankind, but certain societies (or sections of society) have greater tolerence so it is expressed more openly. 30 years ago here in Oz you could get arrested if you were caught, so you either supressed it or you hid it very, very carefully.
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I did say rumor.
Here are the facts
At a party of about a dozen 5 came from roughly the same area of UK and name age bracket.
Have look at your local CD TG support club and I think you will find most are in the age bracket born around 1945-1960. Do the number of members from UK seem to be much larger than you would expect and do you find getting new members out of this age bracket seems a little difficult.
There are a few suspects:
**DDT
**Phthalates
*PCB’s
*Drug to minimise abortion now banned known to suppress testosterone. trestosterone is vital for the masculinise the the brain of fetus .I am tempted to think about coal byproducts of combustion but they had been burning coal for a long time previously.
It could be something in the food, most likely fish. Most of this fish came from the North Sea which is not a large area and was a dumping ground for all sorts. Also the North Sea receives run off from the land containing factory waste, pesticides (DDT was one) flame retardants, detergents, fungicides and herbicides. All these are gender bending to a male fetus.
DDT was introduced at the time of WWII and used extensively until it was banned, it degrades very slowly so stays in the food chain. Think north sea dumping and run off from the land. Test have proven DDT to feminise fish. This one of the reasons it was banned as it was thought to possibly wipe out fish stocks by reducing the capability of fish to breed.
I don’t know about the other countries bordering the North Sea but the Denmark government is worried about the feminisation of boy babies.
If this was in the fish, it is less of a problem now, fish stocks fished out!
Worth thinking about.
Vicki
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I agree Christina…I just find what I’m trying to say a bit hard to put into word’s sometimes…and ,as some other post’s have mentioned,the men having been exposed to different chemicals etc,while at war could have interfered with their genetics,that,I think its half the problem,there are so many factors that could come into play in regard to what causes it,that there will never be any definitive answer as to why we are the way we are.
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While we’ll never really know if transgenderism is more prevalent now than previously in history, it is well documented throughout virtually all cultures and throughout history. (Unlike UFOs which are primarily a post cold war, affluent western society phenomenon.) I believe that, as Karl Sagan put forward in “Chaos”, that everything on this planet develops as the result of many effects at a greater or lesser distance. We can end up as similar people even though we may have come from different environments.
While I am curious as to why I’m the woman I am I’m more concerned with maximising my current and future life experience. But then I was conceived on a farm in the 50s when the air was redolent with DDT…!!
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On Life Matters today ( Radio national or old peoples’ radio as my daughter calls it) an English feminist was talking about the increasing sexism in the affects of our culture on girls. Her comment that the science around the ” male and female” brain is very tenuous while the evidence of the affects of nurture on girls gendering is firmly established.
I think that , in regard to Transgenderism, the affects of upbringing is now an unpopular concept and somehow second level to to the concept that we are born this way and so ” can’t help the way I feel” ( in some circles.)
I find this troublesome , as that feminist stated, one argument is mostly theory while the second is firmly evidenced all around us. For example , I recently saw two little girls in fairy outfits , down at the local shops, being complimented by every one there, ” aren’t you pretty “etc but I have never seen a little boy in the same circumstances and can only imagine the looks of disapproval should a little boy ( they were around 7 years old”) wear the same outfits.
Now, I am not saying that upbringing is the cause in ALL circumstances and I am not arguing against anyones personal narrative, (after all we all have our own version of reality in order to make sense of our lives!).
What I am saying is that there is no need to feel that ones TG nature is any less authentic because ones life experiences have led them to this way of self expression. In fact I think that the personal choice to express this side of ourselves is a positive thing IMO. We do have a choice here. I think that we can feel a TG self and not express it ( as many do) or feel the same thing and let ourselves BE what we feel inside. As I say, A positive thing.
The whole genetic argument seems to me , at times , to be an absolution of the responsibility we take in being ourselves. There is no firm evidence ( consider the very low percentages of study subjects , around 10 brains I recall?) used in the whole ” transsexual brain” argument a few years ago) for a genetic argument and even if it is so , it does not explain why GW express their selves in such a diverse number of ways. Dresses and lingerie and silk and high heels are only cultural things that we make to express certain IDEAS of what a woman is, they are not natural signs of gender ( as are breasts in females or muscle formation in males , and even here we vary so much throughout the human family)
Truth is that humans are a diverse group of creatures, each race has their general characteristic genetic and physical features and yet their cultural expressions are diverse.
While I cannot discount an innate propensity, my personal opinion is that for most of us , there were subtle messages in our upbringings , that led us to express ourselves as TG and that is OK, it is as valid as any other expression , it is only Society that says it is deviant. -
hi girls , My father was a radioligiste in 50s and got a payout from Goverment bought a bussiness and got married started a family .I was only boy . I have a rare disease that is caused by the fathers sperm reproductive system being exposed too radiation . it only passes on too the first born son usually an dosent affect the female !! I have two sons and thankgoodness they are totally normale > My Grandfather admitted too me he was a crossdresser when he found out he was terminale and my father was definetly a crossdresser but hid it all his life . soo genetics and Mutation of are real to me ..a livin breathing person
