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    What makes Estrogen tick?

    Posted by Anonymous on 29/01/2012 at 3:12 am

    Hi,
    Just something that is important for those who want to know more

    I understant 80% of it

    http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/oct2004_report_estrogen_01.htm?source=search&key=natural%20beta%20blocker

    Extract

    What Makes Estrogen Tick
    “Estrogen receptors” are rarely talked about unless a woman is diagnosed with breast cancer (or a man with prostate cancer), but they are critical to how an estrogen behaves. For example, tamoxifen is a “known human carcinogen” due to its estrogenic effects, yet it is marketed as an “estrogen blocker” because of its estrogen-blocking effects. It has beneficial effects on bone, but negative effects on the circulatory system.1,2 It blocks estrogen-driven breast cancer growth temporarily, yet later becomes estrogenic in the same tissue, promoting new breast cancer. How can one “estrogen” do all these things?

    The answer is, partly, estrogen receptors, which are proteins in the body that react to estrogen. Estrogen is like fuel, and estrogen receptors are like machines. When fuel meets machine, things happen.

    Unfortunately, what happens depends on which area of the body is in question. The receptors of different parts of the body are different. In other words, although all the machinery runs on some type of estrogen, not all the machinery does the same thing. Estrogen does different things in different parts of the body. It does one thing in the brain and another in the breast. It might surprise you to learn, for example, that the pituitary gland is second after the uterus as the most estrogen-responsive area of the body.3 So it is not accurate to think of estrogen as the thing that makes breast cancer cells grow.

    Jeorjette

    Anonymous replied 13 years, 2 months ago 1 Member · 3 Replies
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  • Lisa_W

    Member
    29/01/2012 at 9:06 am

    Jeorjette

    I am not going to argue the merits or otherwise of what you have posted. It would take too long and bore a lot of people.

    I have carefully read the article that you extensively quote. The up shot of that article is that if you take genistein then you will be well & will prevent breast cancer.

    There is no evidence that HRT or any other form of oestrogen causes breast cancer in transgendered females.

    When I searched the “Life Extension” web site I found 4 products that they are selling which contain genistein. Hence what they have to say about genistein has to be taken with a grain of salt as they have a financial interest in the product.

    Plus in their disclaimer page I found this;

    Health-Related Information
    The information contained in the lef.org Web site is provided for informational purposes only and is not meant to substitute for the advice provided by your doctor or other health care professional. You should not use the information available on or through the lef.org Web site (including, but not limited to, information that may be provided by healthcare and/or nutrition professionals employed by, or contracting with, Life Extension) for diagnosing or treating a health problem or disease, or prescribing any medication. Information and statements regarding dietary supplements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration unless specifically so stated. Please read our disclaimer.

    And the disclaimer reads as follows;

    Disclaimers
    The dietary and other substances discussed on this site may not have undergone evaluation and/or testing by the United States Food and Drug Administration or like agency of any other country. Risks that might be determined by such testing are unknown. Where these substances are dietary supplements, they are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. In some jurisdictions, some of these substances may be considered prescription drugs, controlled or contraband substances. Since the information published on the Life Extension web site is accessible to anyone throughout the world, Life Extension does not give legal advice that may apply to any particular consumer. Consumers are cautioned to check with local, regionalized legal counsel and/or health care professional(s) before making any purchases of membership, products and/or services on the lef.org Web sit
    e

    With these dislaimers & provisos in place Jeorjette, I would be very careful about what you claim & selectively quote.

    Finally, you extensively publicise the products of “life extension”, this raises an ethical question – do you have any financial arrangements with this company – yes, it is just another multipharma drug company trying to make a profit – that you have not shared with us?

    Lisa

  • Anonymous

    Guest
    29/01/2012 at 10:10 pm

    I will disagree with a lot of coments that you have said. Lisa, but I only just have time for this response.

    No one is perfect but I did notice that you questioned LEF.

    LEF does also mention that any person taking products of any source need to see a professional or some one who knows what they are doing. Admittedly I, after a decade am still balancing things out

    As published in weight loss, I stress that taking a supplement or drug [HRT} in a sick body ie from the foods that we eat and more in the inviroment can cause cancer and other illnesses. A drug or supplement can tip the balance. Even weight loss can release toxins stored in the fat of the body can cause serious illnesses and I have herd of a few people who caught cancer just by MASSIVE weight loss.

    I look at the media and shake my head at the health crap they put on. Some is good but in gerneral is misleading.

    LEF may have products that other sites say cause cancer. But always question everything which is what you are doing and that is great.

    I dont have a lot of time to go indepth so unfortunitely I will have to brief.
    Anyone can prove nearly everything Fox axample
    Vitamin E is useless and will not help anything can be stated

    Vitamin E Alpha ans Omega is very powerfull at 100mg doses

    A drug company sees the benifits and issues a statement that with their studies that vitamin E does not work with their tests becacuse of threats to their product and so they do a study with, lets say 30mg and no co factorrs. The media grabs hold of this and exploits it .
    Falsafying data even to the FDA is quite high as well

    So dont dismiss what LEF says. If in doubt question it, which is great.

    If I did not question, I would not be alive today

    As far as the Estrogen topic is concerned, yes it is involved and many would not bother to read it

    The points I am trying to make is

    Cellular receptors behave differently. We need to evaluate where phytoestrogens, estradiol (natural and synthetic) are attached.

    Common receptors of the above or different receptors that will determine the effectiveness of HRT in a little more understanding of what is happening inside the body

    GOTTA GO
    Jeorjette

  • Anonymous

    Guest
    29/01/2012 at 10:57 pm

    Hi,
    I forgot

    Lisa Questions if I have financial involvement with LEF.
    Finally, you extensively publicise the products of “life extension”, this raises an ethical question – do you have any financial arrangements with this company – yes, it is just another multipharma drug company trying to make a profit – that you have not shared with us?

    The question is very valid

    The answer is NO NO NO

    I also have a health web site

    Do I get and finiancial benefits NO NO NO

    The site comes out of my personal pocket. I can say NOT one cent has ever been made from that site or anything I said here
    I have not made one cent or any benefits of any sort form any company

    In my business I visit many clients whose sickness can be prevented and or cured by just a healthy nutritious diet.
    I have seen how my relatives have suffered and knowing what I know now could have prevented a lot of it, even as far back as 2001

    Admittedly I am a angry person who wants to make a difference in health for those who are blinded. The place a seed so that person can open their eyes and see the deception of this world in religion and health and then question and do something for themselves

    I believe that 95% of sickness can be prevented

    I was nealy a victim of this myself, going against the very thing I believe bacause of my business
    Long hours of Work + bad food = blood infection
    Infection causes vegetation in mitrial valve and open heart surgery

    I think you know where I come from
    I am trying to spread awareness
    Thanyou for clearing this part up
    Jeorjette