Bountifull Breasts

[Anonymous]

part 2 of the post. But I have had bad experiences from both transfemme and transformation, both from which I have purchased product several times.
The bad experiences are from lack of information. Yes they may have something on the net but for me it is not enough. The http://www.transfemme.com “blog”is more to what I need to be satisfied. To email questions and no one wants to know is not limited to the two above. The questions I asked transfemme are dosages. After the first couple of months BB “bountifulbreasts”, I was taking the standard 2 caps a day dosage, obviously to get the body used to it. In 24-48hrs my breasts were tingling like little explosions all over and in a week or so a discharge, one off. Shit, now it’s happening and you start thinking, Yeah it’s really happening now. The reason I was asking was in the 3rd to 4th month there seemed no progress. I know there is a rest period but it seemed a little long for me. I did take Whey Isolate as suggested and L Tyrosine and kept the beast area warm as a certain temperature range is most ideal for best results. I did find that when the breast area was cooler ie presperation and a breeze when working, my arola became small and enlarged to a 50 cent piece when the area warmed up again.
On the net, I did come across reports that stubborn cases require up to 6 caps a day however I was treading cautiously. There was also a mention that taking more caps would not help. I asked a question about my weight and dosages and it fell on deaf ears, again and again. Experimenting with 3 caps a day I was getting results but I did this only for 3 days. I was gauging this on odd tingling nipple tenderness and breast firmness. I wanted confirmation. again email after email fell on deaf ears. I also asked transfemme if anti-androgens may help, no reply, no reply, no reply. Not only that, on one occasion the info line sent my email back as spam.
As I was not satisfied with transfemme, went to http://www.transformation.co.uk asked some basic questions and purchased leg & thigh cream, anti-androgens, female hormone precussors and female chromosome enhancers.
I took a 3 months supply. But again I wanted to know more. Questions like what is the main active ingredient of the anti-androgens. A flow chart of how the female hormone precussors work and break down [yes the little triangle ones] . How do the female chromosome enhancers work?. Many emails fell on deaf ears to transformation. I even suggest they should get in contact with their clinics where there are doctors . I rang Beverley and Claudia several times but their knowledge was limited and that all they were virtually go to do, and I started to feel like a nusiance. I also emailed Medica the manufacturers [on transformation bottle] with no replies for further information. I looked everywhere on the net for information about chromsome enhancers. Very little info. All I was able to figure out is that the chromosome molucule does become unstable and may sheds ie. a “Y” and if there are more “X’s” in the free pool of X & Y’s then there is a greater chance of recombining with a “X” . But I am guessing a little but if anyone can enlighten me this would be nice.
I kept on emailing transfemme because i felt this is still the product for me. Used several other addressess and one got thru. I did confirm that anti-androgens countacts the product that releys on testestorone conversion. So XXXX this may be a problem until testestorone production comes up to speed after taking transformation anti-androgens.
I ditched transformation as well but will keep in mind the enhancing creams. I do suggest XXXX since you are thin and looking good that transfemme may have limited effects on your breasts and a breast enhancement cream may be required.
In my book there are three ways to go [1] Synthetic [2] Glandular [3] Phyto [plant] . Everywhere on the net synthetic seem to be linked to cancers, even if you are not selling a product. I believe transformation is synthetic. My breast progress with transformation for three months was very limited. I think the recomended dosage is to low for my weight.
Something else came to mind. I am going to the doctor as to say there hormonal problem and get them to check chromosomes as well.
Info; From the start bra band was 103cms as is now, breast was 107cms transfemme start and at completion of transfemme was 118cms. This gain was in the first 3 months and no gain from 3 to 4.5 months. At the end of transformation it was 119cms. I am not thin and 25% overweight and continue to deal with it as I was 50% overweight 12 months ago. To indicate there are fat reserve to go to the breast area. Don’t forget everyone is different. I am just giving some idea.
in Part three The journey continues : lets try plant products or estro-glan?
Jane Anderson

[Anonymous]

Jane again. Well I was between products and not going back to synthetic. I was looking at another glandular product similar to transfemme and there is estro-glan. But I had quicker access to phyto estrogen and though I would give it a go. I went to my favourity health site http://www.lef.org who ship their stuff thru Fiji.
I ordered Natural estrogen #712 and as previous post [estrogens and progesterone], Pro fem cream [progesterone] #616 and as there have been many reports of overtaxing the liver, I purchased Silibinin Plus #503 [for a healty liver] amoung hosts of other items that include L Tyrosine #35 I mentioned previously.
The dosage I chose was for post menopausal women at 2 tablets a day and progesterone cream. As I obviously was not producing estrogen I would double the tablet dosage to 4 a day. Yes my nipples lit up and was working well, but I decided I need something to re sculpture the male body to the female format. I was unsure if plant based products would do this and discontinued for that reason only. I would recomend the above, but again I will say I am no doctor. It is like a journey thru a mine field of good and bad products and there is only one go at it.
I looked at purchasing Estro-glan because transfemme glandular gave me so much more including female traits not just tits. next Part 4 [to date] Boobs still at 119cms
Jane Anderson

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[Anonymous]

jane is back again,
From transfemme to the completion of phyto-estrogens something different has happened to me which goes against the grain of expectations. Taking estrogens has a added benifit of redistribution of fat in the body to become a more pleasing feminine shape. This has largly happened but where i would expect fat to accumulate the reverse has happened. After thinking about it in the last week I have come up with a theory as well.
Area one where I lost fat was in the lower buttocks & top of legs where there was loose skin, Second area I lost weight was in the knees and above the knees where skin also became little loose, Third area where I lost fat and slackening of muscle is in the cheeks of the face. Muscle tone is one area I can look at but not all can be explained away I feel.
Theory
Once a boy reaches puberity hormones are released and the boy develops a male format similarly when a girl reaches puberity she will develop the female characteristics. Let us take normal format [build], normal weight etc in both accounts.
Male to female transformation takes place and the male body thake on characteristics of the female. If the female format is average. fine but if the female format is of a skinny female [where the skinny female characteristics in you were dormant because you were a male] then you may take on these characteristics and actually loose fat in a few areas.
Going back to my parents, my father was solid and my mother was skinny as a rake. Maybe the loss of fat in certain areas is the result of female body format from my mother that were dorment in me because I was a male.
Just thinking
Jane

[Anonymous]

Well it’s been a while but hormone results are not over nite

Hormone purchases from transformation.co.uk. I was on these products and results were minim.ail put positive

Estroglan and Mammary Glan conclusion was this product supplies estrogen and does not convert testosterone to estrogen. I went thru many bottle and up to 4 times the dosage with minimal results

Phytoestrogen was no real breast growth. Minimal

My blood tests showed that testosterone was still at lower male range. The only way to beat that is to go back to bountiful breasts in the USA as they claim their product converts testosterone to estrogen , the product i started on originally.
I spoke to another TR transisioner who has also gone thru phases of trying different products and both of us have given the green light for transfemme’s bountifulbreasts.com product. Both of us have upgraded the dosage and she has experienced breast growth and as for myslelf, by increasing dosage from 2 to 4 or 5 caps daily I can say i am very happy with progress but it will take time. For stubborn cases transfemme has endorsed larger dosages. I purchased 9 months supply but at double dosage I will need more in 4 months. But it does work

Jane Anderson

[Anonymous]

I have been bitching in the past about lack of contact with http://www.transfemme.com or http://www.bountifulbreasts.com or nicknamed BB.
But I did get a batch.

One other lady was also taking the same and also endorsed the product. I was a little concerned about 4 caps in the morning and 4 caps in the evening as being excessive. Perhaps I was wrong. Four caps morning and evening is neccessary. When purchasing BB on a thirteen month supply the issue 2 per day recomendation for genetic females but 4/4 is required for TG’s. I find it fairly expensive going through BB at 4 times the rate BUT IT IS EFFECTIVE and DOES WORK. As a member of CRONE some have tried BB with success but many say it is snake oil. Well I can say it works for me and I am VERY happy with the product. After using other products containing estrogens, including phytoestrogens, there were some physical side effects But with BB there are no unwanted side effects as it also produced progesterone to counteract excess estrogen
Another way I am accellerating breast growth is by using estrogen creams.
. For me I am finding that LEF Pro fem progesterone topical cream [plant product] rubbed into the breast area is also very effective in breast growth.
Internal and external program. I also use Estradiol in a carrier cream. Some women’s hormone creams contain similar hormone products that can be added to a carrier cream to reduce the strength.
Jane Anderson

[Anonymous]

For those who know me, I use bountiful breasts as a source of estrogen. From my replies in the past I found bountiful breasts the best and still stick by it.
Blood test from a few years ago had my testosterone in the very high male range. Blood test results two months ago had my testosterone at the bottom of the male range. So therefor 4 caps morning and 4 caps evening had taken me from high to low male range, substantial but not enough. My body is stubborn and with all the life extension supplements I take will make my body more stubborn.
So I need conventional medicine to further reduce hormones to desired levels. I had hoped to avoid conventional medicine but in MY CASE it doesn’t seem possible. If I were to increase BB to 16 per day which is possible, as I spoke to BB, it would be a substantial cost with a positive but unknown outcome
Blood tests does not show a increase Estradiol { the most powerful of estrogen that is tested }, but it is clearly that I have good BB estrogen of some kind by my changed features.
Normally the gender doctor would start some one on spironolactone only but in this case, as I have had estrogens already it was ok’ed to have progynova as well. Dosage 100mg and 4mg respectively in my case.
Mind you the BB site also supports spironolactone as a addition to drop testosterone further in stubborn cases. There may be a small drop in BB effects as spironolactone reduces testosterone that BB relies on but it is only the difference between low male range to female range that spironolactone is needed. BB reprogramming handles the other
Tests from the 13th Dec have revealed the doctor has reached the intended target so BB is still working alive and well having reprogrammed the pituitary gland.
One thing I did not now spironolactone, like BB also reprograms the pituitary gland to reduce/stop testosterone production after a while but needs to be checked periodically to keep it that way.
Although I am not taking BB currently, both are effective at this point in time. The effects of BB after the series is true, as claimed. There is one item I am going to increase, and that is Progesterone. Unlike BB, conventional medicine has no progesterone to combat any ill effects of Estradiol [ estrogen ] Progesterone combats cancer, blood clots etc, recognised as most important.

Another reason I stopped weight loss is the narrowing of the cheeks in my case, producing some deeper lines. I feel that with the increase in Estradiol this may make things worse there so I have to wait until the HGH [see other reply] takes greater effect or a plastic surgeon.

Georgette [ Happy New Year 2008 ]

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[Anonymous]

A member asked me a question on by current experience to date on hormones as this is the reply I gave

Hi Georgette
Hi its XXXX here I was reading your post about herbal breast growth and you seem the be the person to talk too about this. Any how I was curious as to know weather taking BlackMoores Phytolife once a day phytoestrogen will start breast growth and cause my chest hair to thin out. I’am a 24 yo CD I’am not after a huge bust but enough to have some cleavage. Also I very interested to find out what herbs will cause a reduction in body hair growth. Hope to chat with you further on this topic Chat Soon XXXX

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HI XXXX, This is a loaded question and the effects are a loaded question as well

I will give you a indepth overview as well

One, How feminine is your body
If you have a feminine look about you the more effect estrogen supplements of any discription will be
If you are very male in looks, you are most likely to produce a lot of testosterone it is very difficult particular for phyto estrogens and would say forget it. To much herbs, even naturally will release toxins and a lot of oxidation and overworking the liver.

Two, If you are taking herbal supplements or perscription drugs, the use of estrogen will have limited effects. It is like have the airconditioner and the heater on at the same time.

Herbal supplements are very weak in comparison to perscription drugs. First you will need a testosterone blocker so estrogen can work unhindered. There are some herbal blockers but all are very weak and would not be effective enough.

There is one product called bountiful breasts in the USA. It converts testosterone to estrogen and may well do it for you, but expensive. In stuborn cases even they will suggest a testosterone blocker which will block only a portion of the testosterone production. IT is effective and the only non-percription product out there to date that I have time for. I did produce a lot of testosterone and bountiful breasts did sport me a smaller C cup boobs. If you are fem like then it is possible that a blocker is not neccessery. I did do a trial using a percription testosterone blocker, Spiro and bountiful breasts after the C size breasts for a month or so with very incouraging results. I felt that with the blocker and 4 bountiful was equalivent to 4 tablets of estrodial, I am on now.

If you are looking for a little cleveage, bountiful breasts or perscription drugs or both, but doctors are a little shy when it comes to interfearing with bountiful breasts as it is unknown to them and there is also the legal insurance they have to be careful of.

As far as hair is concerned, your testosterone need to be very low or if you have the finances then IPL.

Percription drugs work as follows
Usually you get a testosterone blocker followed with estrodial. The pituitary gland responsible for triggering the production recognises testosterone and estrogen but does not recognise the difference between the two.
The testostone blocker stuts down the pituitary gland for a period of time , dosages determined individually by your doctor. Some like mine are stuborn and it will take time, even up to years to sudue the pituitary gland. Some will fall over quickly.
The estrodial is then introduced and bought up to female estrogen levels in the body. At a determined time the testosterone blocker is ceased and then when the pituitary gland revives it detects the indroduced estrogen and if the dosges are correct it will not trigger sex hormone production, in this case testosterone to be produced. Then estrodial dosages are slowly reduced to a minumum level determined by the doctor. This is a trial and error level as the pituitary gland could trigger on if estrogen dosages are to low and back to testerone blockers briefly.

It is important to have periodic blood tests to check up on things and it is also better to get a experienced doctor in this field.

Georgette

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[Anonymous]

That’s very interesting to read I have seen the Bountiful breast website and was curious to know if there product was as good as they said it was. I’am glad to hear that you have had good results by using the Bountiful Breast product.

chat soon Kate

[Anonymous]

Yes it is. Alter a lot of internet research that is how I started originally. I tried a few other claimers in between but for me it was not very effective
Like I said it is expensive but more natural than perscription drugs. If your body has a strong male constitution then as they suggested a anti-androgen is required.

If it were up to me I would be on BB and a anti-androgen.
I also remember that when I was tested by the gender doctor for estrogen he could not find it in the tests but had to admit that there was substantial estrogen in the body. But which one? He did not know
I have not bothered to work that one out, but that is how it happened.

Usually doctors are cautious and will start you on a anti-androgen first before adding estrodial but in my case I got both from the start.

For a shortwhile for my curiousity I took anti-androgen and BB before I introduced the prescription estrodial [doctor knew] and my boobs lit up.

Georgette

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[Anonymous]

It would be interesting to see if taking BlackMores Photoestrogen with Bountiful Breast would increase the speed or effectiveness of Breast growth.

What are your thoughts

chat soon Kate

[Anonymous]

Hi Kate, Go ahead and see what happens. Do some research into natural anti-androgens would not go astray

I left off researching natural DHT blockers as in natural hair loss prevention
Saw palmetto comes to the top of the list

Look that direction may help

Georgette

Further comments 19/12/09
1, Phytoestrogens would compets with estrogen produced from BB
2, Phytoestrogens are less effective than BB or perscription estrogens
3, Unless you block out testosterone production there will always be a stand off between androgens and estrogen and depending on the dosage you will both in conflict
4, As you know phytoestrogens are a weaker estrogen. You can reduce the testosterone effects by introducing a phyto-testosterone a weaker testosterone with BB There are a few out there, but you need to select a weaker version.
I will leave you with that research
Jeorjette

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[Anonymous]

In many past submissions I mentioner Bountiful breasts, precription HRT and now I am self medicated on thyroplex for women over 40’s

All three are quite effective but I like thyroplex the most as it has all the co-factors of bovian estrogen

I lost weight gradually as a change in diet to raw foods and nuitritionally effective foods. Stay away from frankin foods in your local supermarket.

But what about my boobs

After all these attempts, where has it got me?

Well I am sporting a size 16D cup and with a little extra gathering I can fit frimly into a 16DD

But more the better. Flop-flop bounce-bounce

Jeorjette

[Anonymous]

Hello Again,
I just wanted to do a update.

I have moved away at this time from life-enhancements, thyroplex for women. This product does cover four other glands and since my diet is mainly organic and half of that is raw, as in raw wide spectrum of many vegetables, my body started to function substantually better. I then found the replacement hormones to be to much for my body and discontinued for that reason only.
I did restart Bountiful Breasts as it focused on the estrogen replacement only.
I have found that this run was extremenly effective, many fold more effective than the past.

So effective that I reduced dosage by half and then down to a quarter dosage and even less now.

Being on 50% organic raw foods [most of the time], any toxic build up is removed quickly and effectively. This can be guaged by the reactions I get from food like products that are generally available.

I also found that my skin was soft, even to the stage it was slimmey and there was a toxic build up in a certain area. This was anough to reduce my immune system to create a blood infection. Confirmed by a doctor.
Serious enough to have a few hours in hospital to get a dose of IV antibiotics and oral after that. This was at full dose of BB. Testosterone without androgen blockers was down to 4, prevoiusly before BB at 22.

I discontinued BB and now just take small doses of about 20% manufacturers recomendations now.

I did not have this problem in the past. So the question is:
* Have I changed, as in diet to BB?
* Has BB properity blend changed?
* Or both af the above?

Jeorjette

Any input from users would interesting

A interesting note to think about
The human body travels a fine line between ease and dis-ease. When many go of the track and drink excessively, smoke, eat heavily processed foods for the majority of the diet, the body responds to heal itself. With the posibility of lack of excercise and a toxic liver, the lymph glands get clogged and backed up with toxins. Also noting possible lack of effective sleep.
The body then responds by storing toxins in the fat cells. After this more toxins are pooled and isolated and the body then encapsulates the toxins by growing cells around it.
This is called a TUMOR

[Adrian]

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….there was a toxic build up in a certain area. This was anough to reduce my immune system to create a blood infection. Confirmed by a doctor.
Serious enough to have a few hours in hospital to get a dose of IV antibiotics and oral after that. This was at full dose of BB. Testosterone without androgen blockers was down to 4, prevoiusly before BB at 22.

I discontinued BB and now just take small doses of about 20% manufacturers recomendations now.

This is a timely reminder to all those reading this thread that products like Bountiful Breasts are NOT placebo medicines – they contain real, and potentially harmful active ingredients.

Do not tinker around taking these products thinking it is all potential upside and no possible downside. There are health risks that may be serious – depending on your own personal circumstances.

As this is a public forum visible to the entire Internet I would like to give a message to anyone reading about the results Jeorgette has achieved.

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seek advice either in person or by researching on the internet – don’t rely on any product advertising.
weigh up the risks and benefits of taking FDA approved controlled medications vs products such as BB
always tell your GP – not just if you want a prescription, but also so they can appropriately monitor your health.

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Has BB properity blend changed?

This is exactly why I think controlled drugs are a safer way of achieving the changes you may need. They still aren’t “safe” – but at least their composition is tightly controlled.

[Anonymous]

This was quite an interesting read. I do have to agree with Amanda on what she thinks. I am still researching transition myself and haven’t quite made the ‘plunge’ so as to say. From reading online so far I believe that getting prescription HRT seems to be the way to go since medical professionals are more familiar with synthetic hormones and seem to be better equipped on their use of using them. I do agree that in the end it probably is an insurance thing and also the doctors themselves covering themselves legally.

I admire what you had done and can see that you have put alot of thought behind your choice for HRT. I think that choosing to have your GP involved and doing regular blood tests is the best thing you could do while self medicating. It seems also that you have a good amount of knowledge regarding the way that hormones effect your body.

I don’t personally don’t so much in depth knowledge. When I eventually reach the stage in transition I would personally seek to go on synthetic hormones rather just because they are more regulated. I am happy to hear that you have had success in your transition though and hope that everything goes well for you in the future.