Bountifull Breasts

[Anonymous]

Hi,
I am still giving the thumbs up on thyroplex for women. But please remember it is for people over 40 on a standard western diet. But each person must determine that for themselves. I would suggest a physcian to guide you.
I have been involved in supplements fo 12yrs and only touched the tip of the tip of the tip …….

I agree with Amanda, that one needs to be careful. In the past BB was fantastic, but on this round I found my skin being uncomfortably slimmy. I find BB may have very affective estrogen conversion as they claim and I can varify, but it is always the secret “properity blend” I find queationable and can be altered by the manufacturer or any manufacturer at their whim.

I am still taking BB but very limited at 3 to 4 caps a week and very closely self-monitored.

Chemists can manufacture many chemicals as in food additives. Let us look at molecule B. It may have a foumula of CxHyOz where x,y,z are variables. This molecule can occur in nature in whole foods. But during processing this compound is taken out or distroyed in manufacturing like Vitamin B1 and B2 for example
In the manufacturing process these vitamins and others are may be re-introduced., like in cereals They may have the same chemical formula but their structure is different and hence have different properities as in side effects including the one the manufacturer intended. It may be as simple as a methy added to the 3 carbon atom where in nature it is 4 th on the carbon chain. But what are the side effects of this man made product on many products. Look at the hospitals.
They can say legally that a molecule that has the same formula but different structure is still vitamin B1 or B2
How many versions of estradiol are there under the same name.

The TGA and FDA are some of the most currupt organisations on the planet. They say MSG and Aspartiame or OK for example. All in my circle of study know different.

Compare the human female estrogen. The labs manufacture a molecule that has “estrogenic effects” but what about the other properities or side effects that are unknown and known, good or/and bad.

Amanda and I agree that artificial estrogen is questionable and is well monitered. That is a personal choice, but be very cautious. Don’t assume anything. Each person is different and responds different. Even a change in diet perhaps. I look at the stand point of eating meat from a cow including other parts in question. Hopefully it is more natural and a better option and hopefully with the natural co-factors but it is the incipents in BB I have additional concerm for now.

Please do not over tax your body and then add estrogen into the equation. It may take you over the cusp into dis-ease.

Head of faculty, a chemist of 40yrs experience, at our college told me that any molecule that contains a benzene ring is cancerous. So look at Spiro. and other products.

Jeorjette [natural medicine student]

Did you know?
You open a bottle of multivitamins and look at the ingredants.
You notice an addition; contains “Magnesium stearate “
You are now consuming as MACHINE OIL

[Anonymous]

Hi,
Maybe I have been somewhat hasty in questioning BB, noting the properity blend in particular.
It is my apologies to Bountiful Breasts, as their product has some but very minor toxic build up.
There is another product that has caused 98% of the toxic build up and BB about 2% of the guestimate percentage.
I am now a raw food junkie. Raw veges and fruit and not from any mass produced farms. Organic, home grown and organic markets.
I live a detoxing diet day in, day out. No 3 days, 5 day, 10days etc., a way of life now.
A typical smoothie would some pear, banana, kale, celery, cucumber, lemon and ginger. With 750ml daily and other versions to total 1500ml daily and averaged out 1000ml of RAW daily.
So where did these boils in the nose and possibly other infections I mentioned earlier containing tose toxins come from?
After a peroid of detoxing on the above diet and more, I took BB again and took it to the recomended dosage. 2 caps morning, 2 caps at night and then applied the breast cream and one for down under as well as per transfemme dosage. Great to nutralise, testosterone, effectively as this can be evaluated in the sudden reduction of body hair growth. It gave me some toxic build up in the nose, but not much at all.
So where?
Well, a raw foodie TG can get caught with her knickers down. I got some food from a take away and oh my gosh, did my nose flair up in sticky ossy swelling mess in my nose. To test my hypothesis, I repeated the proceedure several times and it is the crap food that caused it, not BB as first thought. So BB is on again and monitoring it and monitoring the food out there even more closely. The food is the cause. So appoligies to Bountiful Breast.
I want a bigger set. It feels so good and I feel more complete and happier.
Jeorjette
A side note. DO NOT DO THIS ON YOUR OWN unless you have a good understanding. Even then……
There is a lot more in this program I am doing that is not related to this topic. Raw foods and appropiate blood thinning has also enabled me to ditch Warfarin.
To do something like this you need to see a qualified practioner, and even then.
NOTE Compared to the past, BB is very-very effective on a body that has greatly reduced toxins in comparison to 5 years ago when I was on a every day diet. Chalk and cheese.

[Carol]

Wow Jane, so much information and you are so far ahead of me. Over the years I’ve experimented with hormones I “borrowed” from my wife. I’ve also bought from transformation.co.uk. I’ve just a couple of comments to reinforce some things you’ve said. I managed to grow an almost B cup on my left and something a bit smaller on my right mainly through exercise and boob cream from transformation. But when I wanted to begin using anti-androgens I asked transformation what the active ingredients were and received a deafening silence. There are some risks I’m not prepared to take. I had been about to dive into herbals but hearing that they could block the effectiveness of genuine HRT I decided to go legit with the medicos. I found a sympathetic GP in Sydney who put me straight on Finasteride 5mg ant-androgen and referred me to a psych for clearance for HRT. I’m now one month into finasteride and have had the psych interview. I’ll see the GP next week and hopefully will start HRT then. I just wish I’d been brave enough to seek professional help earlier.

[Anonymous]

Just b careful with transformation. I have had past dealings with them. If a item is faulty, they will replace but as for hormones.
Take care and caution. Transformation has some very powerful stuff. I would use breast cream at different times to taking oral’s. I had a overload from transformation where i did this. I kept within guidelines but on this occasion I used breast cream with orals. On this occasion I was driving a I was getting dizzier until I stopped at a servo car park as it started to get worse and dangerous to drive.
I did end up calling a ambulance and they could not find anything to explain the symptoms. Over a period of half an hour it started to wear off. This was in earlier times around ’07 or so.
Maybe it was a overload of estrogen. In retro it was the only difference.
So don’t be desperate to want to be, as it can backfire.
As to BB and anti-androgens. Yes taking the two together is quite effective but watch your testosterone levels and make sure they are not to low.
As to phytoestrogens, yes they do have a more minimal effect. Just imagine it as a lock and key system, or a barcode. If the natural genetic estrogen, synthetic estrogens, bovine estrogen, phytoestrogen, testosterone and more, have the same key or barcode but they all have different effects depending on their make up and configuration. If you have phyto-estrogen in the same site then there is no docking.
Medico option is a option that has been well observed and studied. It is not necessarly safer but they are better equiped to handle things if they fall out of line.
What ever the choice, your liver has to deal with a lot. Toxic foods, inviroment etc. I suggest to anyone not to overload the liver. Help it. Live a detoxified life style.
Jeorjette

[Adrian]

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Just b careful with transformation. I have had past dealings with them. If a item is faulty, they will replace but as for hormones.

Moderator

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You are posting in a public forum… so I would advise caution about posting possibly unsubstantiated negative feedback. Certainly TgR does not endorse any such comments and they reflect the opinion of the poster.
Secondly I can’t see any obvious connection with BB – and if the off topic posting continues I will just have to lock the thread. I am not prepared to split out the on topic from off topic stuff when it gets as intertwined as it is here.
Stay on topic by answering the questions on posting honestly – and there will be no issues. If this is just too hard then use a blog or the unmoderated areas.

Amanda

[Anonymous]

Moderator

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This post is off topic as far as I can see. The thread isn’t about how to select and apply hormones… and Bountiful Breasts has it’s own thread…
Unless anyone can explain the connection I’ll move this when I get some spare time. TransFusion calls!

Basically

I feel there are two prime methods of hormone regulation.

Reduce testosterone, increase estrogen by
Taking synthetic estrodiol
Reduce testosterone with anti-androgens, again synthetic compounds

To tip the balance in favour of estrogen.

OR

Use your testosterone to do the work for you. This will also cause a partial feed back loop as well reducing the testes for the smoother look.

Use a product like aromatase to metabolise your testosterone to estrodiol
This then reduces testoserone to low levels and estrogen to high levels as desired. Aromatase is natural and there are no synthetic estrogen and anti-androgens in the body.
Yes you do need blood tests over a period of time to determine levels and this can be grouped into other medical blood tests you may have.

The product is from overseas. No need to guess, Bountiful Breasts.

Initially you may need to take the recomended dose 4 and 4 daily, but years down the track I just tweek the level with just 4 caps a week on seperate days. I look at the areola diameter at normal body temperature as a good guide to how much estrogen is in the body.
This with a blood test knowledge over time is a quite a good indicator.

Then to top it all off. I blend raw organic veges mainly from the brassica family (contains sulphur) to conjugate toxins from the liver for general efficiency. This will also assist to eliminate estrogenic metabolites like estrone and estriol that will build up in the body fat
Try to eliminate sugar and refined carbs, increase low GI, eliminate sodium and alcohol etc…. that support fluid retension.

To assist body balancing I also use Mediherb, PhytoRegenex, practitioner grade. This helps regenerate tissue and is a excellent detoxifier, regrows hair and darker over a few years (85% full color restore by trials) and is a excellent antioxident. Throw in the peptide glutathione (antioxident) in for some life changing and visual results. Under these changes a much more feminine and younger looking tighter body will emerge over time. Just throw a little excercise into the mix as well. Include facial and eye excercises as well.
Just some dedication will reward you.
Jeorjette
Ps I can on and on. This is the short.

[Catherine]

Moderator

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I have moved this and the preceding post as they have no obvious connection with the topic where they were posted… Buying hormones from Overseas

You are absolutely right Jeorjette, there are 2 prime methods of hormone regulation.

1. Subject yourself to a qualified Endocrinologist who will supervise and regulate your hormone therapy to suit your specific body type.

2. Steer well clear of any synthetic product and demand only bio-identical hormones.

I have witnessed far too many people ruining their lives through self administration of these potent hormones

With all due respect

Catherine

[Anonymous]

Hi,
This is why I take BB as I believe it is a more natural way to obtain estrogen.

I have been a member of LEF since 1998

Get your head around this one.

I am also a natural medicine student now. So BB is all that I use.

I had this below link for a while. I is very important that you evaluate this.

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/oct2004_report_estrogen_01.htm?source=search&key=natural%20beta%20blocker

Jeorjette