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Anonymous
Guest18/11/2008 at 12:56 pmI did a fair bit of work on my voice and found I made real progress. On Calpernia Adams website their was a booklet I downloaded with a bunch of exercises that I did everyday and after a few weeks it sort of clicked. What worked for me was starting with my falsetto and then bringing it down slowly and adding more of a breathy sound as well. You end up speaking predominantly from your head rather than your chest, then later you can bring in more chest sound to give it more bass. It sounds nasely at the start but as you practice it slowly starts to lower and round out. Took me lots and lots of practice and you’ll need a voice recorder, I just used my phone. Was pretty similar to the way that that Candi girl does it on youtube.
It has actually given me awesome range in my singing voice as well……..I only sing around the house but now I can reach really high notes as that part of my voice box has been strengthened.
Voice would be the easiest part for me, now I just need to work out how to shrink a few inches
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Anonymous
Guest17/05/2010 at 9:58 pmQuote:can anyone please help me and tell me the way to train my voice to sound fem please i want to soubd righthugs
AbbergailThere are many examples of how to do this on YouTube, however, a couple of points:
1/ It takes time (took more than 9 months for me and if I don’t practice daily, I fall back into the old voice within days (sometimes hours.)
2/ If you have a subject you talk passionately about (eg with me computers) you drop right back into your male voice.
3/ it is very easy (particularly when starting) to strain your voice. STOP. Strain your voice and you’ll either loose it or not be able to talk in anything bt your male voice for several weeks (been there done that as well.)
4/ The deeper your voice the harder it is to get started, and the larger the perceived problem – or so it seems. Some woman have deep voices. I have a friend (a GG) that has smoked so much her voice is deeper than mine (and my “natural voice” is very deep).. Smoking will impede you.. even with her deep voice though she sounds female – there is more in the way you use words and the inflections than there is in the pitch. Even with my voice one octave higher (and stable) people call me sir on the phone. When I started learning in the inflections I found people would refer to me as “ma’am” regardless of pitch…!Best,
Michelle
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You may like to consider joining the Yahoo Group voicets
They hold bi-weekly voice chats using Yahoo Messenger where members chat in female voices using the voice conference feature.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/voicets/?yguid=279586151
There are voice files on the Yahoo Group where members post their former and current voices, so you can hear the changes and get an idea of what can be achieved
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Anonymous
Guest18/05/2010 at 6:08 amBeing a speech/voice therapist myself, it is possible to modify one’s voice to have a female-sounding quality. In fact that’s why I studied to be a speech/voice therapist in the first place – to learn ways to modify my voice from being blokey to being feminine. But it did take a lot of dedication and practice on my part to achieve this.
Anyway, from experience, it would be fatal to just focus on changing pitch. In fact if you just change the pitch, your voice will sound so unnatural and still masculine. Communication consists of more than just vocal pitch. Other areas such as resonance (especially this one), enunciation, word choice, sentence structure, nonverbal behaviour, and facial expression all need to be taken into account.
In agreement with several researches, I would consider resonance to be very important. Resonance is the way that your voice bounces off in your vocal tract, and is determined by the size and shape of your vocal tract. This is how I would put it in laymen’s terms: Males usually have larger sized vocal tracts than females (males have larger throats than females). Therefore the valve that voice travels through is larger in males than in females. So it’s like males and females use different musical/voice instruments which differ in the size of their valves to start off with. No matter how high/soft your voice goes, you’re still using the male voice instruments to make those voices – which makes your voice identifiable as male/masculine. But, if you modify the shape of your vocal tract in a such a way to be similar to that of the female vocal tract, you have the foundation needed to build on a good female voice.
When you do use the female resonance all the time, it can be very hard to revert back to the male resonance. In my case, I got so used to using the female the resonance that, when I need to run certain errands on the phone using my male voice, people actually start to question that ‘male’ voice.
Anyway, that’s my two cents worth of input. Hope it provided some insights.
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Anonymous
Guest28/06/2010 at 9:59 amHiya Abbergail,
there are lots of you tube and other web sites out there with lots of info on them, just gotta search around. One thing I do is find a good female singer you can sing along to. I like Annie Lennox coz she has such an amazing voice. Don’t try to go too falsetto ( high and squeaky) soften your voice and just raise it a couple of tones and practice lots!! -
Anonymous
Guest28/06/2010 at 1:34 pmIts harder for me cause I stutter. I’ve stuttered all my life. Usually, ladies clothes relaxes me but my stutter still exists when i’m in lady mode. When I sing i’m perfect cause i’m in a rhythem and I dont have to think what to say.
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Anonymous
Guest28/06/2010 at 10:44 pmDon’t panic if you stutter though Cassandra, plenty of genetic women do the same. The thing to remember is your tone of voice (as I’m sure that you’re aware of) when you speak, that’s what people will hear and nothing else.
Peta A.
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Anonymous
Guest22/07/2010 at 1:57 amDear girls,
I am looking foir professionl help with my voice projection.
Should I seek help from a Speach Pathologist or a Speach Therapist?
I have a therapist in mind who is quite happy to coach me but I am unsure if it’s worth the $150 consultation fee.
Can anyone give me advice.
It’s worth noting that my friends say I tend to lift my voice when I am dressed as a woman.
warmest wishes to all from Julie Darling -
Anonymous
Guest23/07/2010 at 7:03 amHi Julie,
Speech Therapist/Speech Pathologist/ even Voice Therapist are terms used interchangeably to describe the same profession – Speech Pathology – a profession that addresses communication, incorporating VOICE (which is applicable to girls like us), articulation (pronunciation), language, stuttering, hearing, and even mealtime management. However, Speech Pathologist is the more commonly used term nowadays.
I think even some drama/acting teachers offer voice lessons too, but though I don’t know if this is the case in Australia. Sorry that I couldn’t offer more advice.
Best of luck with your voice
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Anonymous
Guest27/07/2010 at 8:26 amHi Julie, depends where you are going ultimately. If you decide you are ts voice therapy is available at very low rates through Monash. It takes quite a few sessions with a therapist to change your voice so privately it could be quite expensive. Basically they have to diagnose your current voice and get the faults out then raise the pitch and alter the focus to a forward (mouth) projection, i.e you use your lungs to drive your voice so it’s made in the forward part of your mouth rather than in the rear part of your mouth and throat. It takes a while as I said. It’s speech therapy BTW which can invilve elements of speech pathology. Many graduates fromLaTrobe uni will be familiar with the processes of changing a male voice to a female voice.
Good luck girl!
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Anonymous
Guest07/08/2010 at 2:37 amIm a new tgirl and have just started going out in public and have gone into shops, had conversations
and passed without raising a single eyebrow and I have done this without any speech therapy at all.I will admit however am also a trained singer and have spent time
researching & practising my female voice before stepping out.I have to agree with many of the comments here in that your female voice is just slightly higher, but softer
than your male voice. Also women pitch up towards the end of a phrase or sentence, where as men pitch down.The most common mistake I think for developing a female voice is going to high into the falsetto range – many make the mistake of trying to pitch about 2 octaves higher). If you pitch your ‘normal female voice to high, it then falls apart when you try to end your phrases or sentences when you try to go even higher when ending your phrases & sentences.
So experiment and record your own voice & find out what works best for you.
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Anonymous
Guest08/08/2010 at 12:03 pmHi.
I wont be of much use , yet ,
I spent time in choirs & did a lot of singing so am well aware of voice range & i know full well what i can do. yet never tryed to change if you like how i sound .
yet i dont have that deep down talking voice as many men do so just left it what does change is my voice sound does go up a little & works well for me . & you could ask some from here what i sound like as they have met me . ooops thatll open a can of worms ask Amanda . Bambi or one or two others
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what i have is of cause every one in our Villages know me & have done for over 16 years so as you say male & female i dont have any problems .
& being accepted has been great. so i spos i just slip through the gaps & no one cares & we just get on with our groups & friends.…noeleena…
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Anonymous
Guest15/05/2011 at 1:03 pmHaving read this thread a while ago I came back looking to see what may have been added and to share my own experience. I had most success when getting feed back from others. I find recording my voice useless as when I speak as a man and record it it doesn’t sound like it sounds to me inside my head. It seems I’ve had a modicum of success by trying to do the following, which I did after visitng one of the many web sites on this topic. Forget about pitch, the key would appear to be that the resoanance of male/female voices is controlled by the distance between the vocal chords and the lips. In women the distance is shorter. to shorten that distance I just had to find a way through concentration to do it. I was helped by the site that said to feel where your adam’s apple is normally then swallow, where it ends up when you swallow is where you need to keep it while you talk. How you achieve that is however you can. And I practice by reading aloud.
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Anonymous
Guest15/05/2011 at 10:29 pmI was discussing this subject with my wife just the other day. I have come to the conclusion that I naturally speak a little softer and more femme like, when in girl mode, unless I’m trying to get someones attention, then it shocks every one. But generally I find people are so confused about what they are looking at trying to work me out that they never seem to notice the male-ishness in my voice. So I just speak as I do, and let them do the worrying.
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Anonymous
Guest16/05/2011 at 4:00 pmwhat ever you do to find a voice, when you find one and use it often it will become more natural , but if you can pitch in the right zone then the projecting of the voice is easier , practice is what change is all about how ever you get there.