[Adrian]

OK – I see you want some data!

Here is a Pareto chart showing the postings to the forum (modestly excluding posts by the webmistress!).

If you don’t know how to interpret a Pareto chart is try looking here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_chart

The 80/20 rule would lead us to expect that 80% of all the posts would be made by 20% of the members.
In fact the graph shows that 80% of the post come from just 12% of the members.
And on the tail of the graph 40% of the members have never posted!

Enjoy!
Amanda

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Hi Amanda, I know that you had until recently a long association with Seahorse NSW. That may have helped boost numbers.

I do associate the +4% for NSW, to some degree, with my active involvement in the community. But in the days when I was involved with Seahorse NSW it was more frequently the other way round. People found TR – and then joined Seahorse NSW. Certainly there isn’t a large body of TR members at the moment who are also members of Seahorse NSW – at the most lets say 2% (guessing). Still no where near the -10% that the Victorians have notched up.

But yes – the absence of a TR evangelist in VIC may be a factor – any volunteers?

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Is the cost of internet services a lot higher in Vic? postal costs are higher to NSW so.. following logic…just a thought ( a silly one yes, but still??)

No I didn’t post in fun stuff!!!
According to the ABS
http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/DetailsPage/8153.0Jun%202010?OpenDocument

NSW has 32% of all internet services in Australia, and Victoria 25%. So the internet penetration per capita in both states appears to be similar

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Deleted…If people want to have their arguments please do it off forum.
This is a place for information not attacking each other.

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i’m still a fan of having an unmbrella term, however, irrespective of what that term may be.

Well – count me in the fan club too V – if we can get a few more members perhaps we can start monthly meetings!

No – seriously – I read the article you posted as just being another emotionally charged rant – which are sadly too common in the community. I find it fascinating how much hate Tracie can outpour onto the TransGender label without telling us what she actually thinks it means. And more importantly she doesn’t tell us what the one umbrella term she would adopt that embraces all without controversy.

Well luckily on TR we have defined what the labels mean…
http://forum.tgr.net.au/cms/forum/F319/3670-670
and so it would be clear on TR that Tracie is not transgender and should be referred to as transsexual.

As to that one label – I’m sticking with “Gender Diverse” as a way of avoiding the T Q and I issues. hence the rebranding of TR 6 months ago.

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A warning to new members who see this thread for the first time. It is a long running thread with lots of opinions that have already been voiced and discussed. Please read ALL the thread before posting.

[Adrian]

A day later than usual – but a group of 12 of us had a great New year’s recovery meal in Glebe!

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Dear Amanda,

I would urge great caution re HRT being “not adviseable” following breast augmentation.

Re-reading the article I quoted, I think it is clear that the author is proposing caution about having implants prior to, or during the transition stages of HRT.
It appears that the author is against implants in general (this may or may not be a medical position) – but an awareness that implants may cause complications if one later undertakes HRT is a point I think worth considering.
At no point does the article, or what I summarised, propose that anyone discontinue prescribed HRT.

[Adrian]

I found this comment about breast implants on yahoo answers.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100325110354AADwDXD

It claims to be written by a clinically qualified transgender. And whilst the terminology used is in my opinion confused, the information is interesting.

I found of particular interest the information that HRT after breast implants is not advisable. This may be of particular interest to anyone (like Tatiana) who consders there is a possibility they may go down that path at a future date.

Actually, very few people are ‘all for it’ when a transgender male wants breast implants; including most transgender males. Breast implants make it very difficult for a transgender male to present as male, which the majority of them do, at least some of the time.

Perhaps you mean transsexual women.
Many transsexual women, disappointed with their breast development after a year or two on hormone therapy, express an interest in breast implants; and they’re generally advised against it, both by their doctors and their peers.
Many have to be reminded that, just like adolescent cis girls, it can take 5 to 10 years for breast tissue to fully develop; having implant surgery before development has ceased can cause misshapen breasts as the tissue continues to grow over and around the implants.

Once development is finished, however, transsexual women are subject to the same criteria as cis women if they seek this surgery (and the same people try to talk BOTH groups out of it).
Source(s):
I’m a clinical specialist in surgery and anaesthesia, and I was born transsexual.

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Implants are a quick fix to looking like a female. Of course, serious research will be done. ……. The desire to have breasts is very strong within me. I have no control over that. Bronwyn

Where the idea that implants are a quick fix to looking female comes from I have no idea.
Other forums have discussed what it means to look/pass as a female and there are much bigger issues to address.
No one in the street can tell if you have implants or forms – unless you propose to go to the beach (in which case you will probably run into some bigger issues in changing rooms).
They can however tell if you are thinking like a man, walking like a man, talking like a man…. and of course have the bone structure/face/hands of a man.
Looking female is rarely about the shape under your clothes – and you meet many women in real life who have very little shape (but who are nevertheless very female).

Unlike the original poster you say nothing about the destination on your journey nor if HRT is on your agenda.
To me the obsession to “fix” things quickly by doing something (getting implants) appears a very male trait.
Generalising…female brains tend to talk about things a lot first and only turn to action late. Male brains want to take action first – like having implants. (This is heading off topic perhaps – a new thread may be needed….)
As a first step I would advise wearing forms or chicken fillets ALL THE TIME – no excuses. See if people accept you more as female. Try and find out if having permanent breasts is an obsession or a real psychological need. Seek a medical opinion before envisaging surgery.

[Adrian]

TransFormal is now officially in the events calendar.
So I guess it is time to close of this thread.
http://forum.tgr.net.au/cms/forum/F413/3873-873

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I will be there no problems there but can anyone recommend an alternative accomodation spot, we like staying in cabins but a nice motel would be great too.

Lauren,
Quite a few girls tried accommodation outside the Carrington last year …and I have a couple of recommendations that I will be putting on the TrannyTix web site when it goes live for 2011 (in a few weeks time).

On the other hand – staying in the hotel with so many other girls is a big buzz and I would recommend it (if you can afford the hotel rates).
And also – you don’t have to get your ball gown muddy getting to the hotel on the Saturday night!!!

Amanda

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Regarding the ‘ Carrington Hotel ‘, do we book our own rooms or is it a Block booking, if you know what I mean.
What I’m trying to say is , I want a ticket and a room. How do I go about it ?

Yvonne,
Rooms at the Carrington are booked through TrannyTix – when the site goes live for 2011.
We have a block on a large number of the cheaper rooms at the hotel – which means that if you try to reserve directly you may be told that all the cheaper rooms have gone.
All the details should be on TrannyTix in a few weeks time.
See you there!
Amanda

BTW excellent first post!!!

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This is the final warning to Muffin – to honour the posting rules for these forums.

I have publicly and privately warned Muffin that her words cause offense.

In thread extract above Muffin
a) referred to a TR member who presents as a girl as “he”
b) made comments about playing behind closed doors that both I and the member concerned objected to.
c) in subsequent posting has shown no sign that she accepts that she caused offence and intends to operate within the norms of our community.

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……. If you want breasts, now, then you’re talking about living “full-time”.

If it isn’t being too picky…is this piece of T-logic actually true?
For Tatiana and my benefit can you explain why breast implies exclusively that you are living full time?

If you had written “If you want breasts, now, then you’re talking about coming out (at least to those close to you)” then I can understand the logic.

But breasts equating to living full time as a woman… just makes me ask “Why?” (And what is wrong with people I know who have breasts who don’t live full time for personal reasons!)

Curious
Amanda

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I’d like to know what the physc thinks too or is it perhaps that i dont understand why you or any one would want to do this and not live full time as a girl…. Would this not be the same as wanting to take hormones and not living full time ????????
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I was curious about asking those questions not saying it is wrong

These threads are certainly flushing out stereotypes about our community – I hope in the process we do not ignore the original poster and her needs!

No – there is absolutely nothing wrong with taking hormones without the intent to go full time IF that provides a better way of reconciling your inner gender with your physical appearance.
I presume (because I have no direct experience) that the same applies in that someone who does not feel they fit into a binary gender model may find that having breast implants in some way reconciles things.

Those who see the world as just men and women and who deprecate anything in between have a lot to learn from understanding many people on this forum. Gender diversity is so much richer than a simple man or woman decision. If you see life that way then perhaps your decisions are easier to make than for others who are ‘more mixed up’ in gender.

My comments about posts, including some from Muffin, are that they seem to come from a binary viewpoint and as such can give offense to others who do not believe they should be forced into a man or woman solution. If I have misinterpreted anyone’s postings I apologize, but such misunderstandings can be avoided by wording your posts in an a more obviously inclusive way.