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Quote:Living as a man with breasts? So you have not taken hormones? You present as a man? ………………………with breasts? You identify as transgender, you present as a man and you want to undergo breast augmentation?
How did you present this to a psychiatrist? What were his/her views on this?There have been a number of posts recently that seem to present a narrow view of what is acceptable behaviour in the gender diverse community. I wish to state that this is not an attitude that is supported by TR.
These forums are a place where anyone should be able to discuss gender issues without fear of personal criticism. In this context any attempt to dictate the behaviour of others is unhelpful.If you have strong personal norms as to what is or isn’t acceptable in our community then please refrain from asserting them in a way that might give offense to others who hold differing views.
Our first response should be to understand how diverse our community is and then, where possible, offer unconditional support.
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Quote:You want breasts but you want to conceal them? I don’t understand. Why exactly do you want breasts?
I think the original post answers that quite clearly.
“I classify myself as being Transgender but am not willing to ‘go the whole hog’ and live full time, although that may change in the future.
Anyway, I just want to present as men most of the time.”
Tatiana I believe wants to hide her breasts at those times when she is presenting as a male.Personally I see no inconsistency in someone wanting to physically position themselves somewhere along the gender spectrum but also wishing to maintain the ability to pass as a binary male when necessary or desired.
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Quote:You want breasts but you want to conceal them? I don’t understand. Why exactly do you want breasts?
I think the original post answers that quite clearly.
“I classify myself as being Transgender but am not willing to ‘go the whole hog’ and live full time, although that may change in the future.
Anyway, I just want to present as men most of the time.”
Tatiana I believe wants to hide her breasts at those times when she is presenting as a male.Personally I see no inconsistency in someone wanting to physically position themselves somewhere along the gender spectrum but also wishing to maintain the ability to pass as a binary male when necessary or desired.
It is clearly part of the gender diversity this website supports. -
Quote:You want breasts but you want to conceal them? I don’t understand. Why exactly do you want breasts?
I think the original post answers that quite clearly.
“I classify myself as being Transgender but am not willing to ‘go the whole hog’ and live full time, although that may change in the future.
Anyway, I just want to present as men most of the time.”
Tatiana I believe wants to hide her breasts at those times when she is presenting as a male.Personally I see no inconsistency in someone wanting to physically position themselves somewhere along the gender spectrum but also wishing to maintain the ability to pass as a binary male when necessary or desired.
It is clearly part of the gender diversity this website supports. -
As Peta has indicated, this is a bit of a “how long is a ball of string” question where the only answer is “it depends”.
At the risk of generalisation, one factor is the type of build you have at the moment. If you are a person who is carrying a lot of “male” fat tissue around the chest then any growth, implants, forms are going to be in addition to the natural “man boobs”. There are frequent claims from well built girls who are a size 18+ that they have A cup/B cup breasts…achieved I expect by just redistribution of existing fat layers. (Many people conveniently overlook that the volume of a 18B cup is much larger than a 14B… but that is a story well covered in another thread). Augmented man boobs are always going to be relatively easy to hide – after all people see what they expect to see.
On the other hand if you don’t carry much body fat then, if there is any growth, the shape will be distinctly that of teenage girl boobs – the adjective perky is frequently used. In this situation camouflage can be a lot harder, girl boobs don’t look the same as man boobs and will appear unusual at the gym, beach or doctors. Perky breasts also show under even loose clothing because the nipples are the point of contact.
Because the outcomes are so variable, my advice would be to only go down this path if you are comfortable being read by others. Body shape is not something that can be kept a secret.
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Bringing this thread back to the original topic….
The SMH has published an article on Bridget.
Text & Picture from http://www.smh.com.au/national/my-bodys-a-war-zone-and-i-will-not-retreat-20101204-18krq.html
A MALE army officer, who lives as a woman with his wife and two children, has been locked in a battle to keep his job – as a female army officer.
Captain Matthew – now Bridget – Clinch, 31, plans to have a sex change operation next year after living as a woman for 12 months.
The East Timor veteran’s battle with the army has already forced it to abolish its policy of discharging personnel ”undergoing or contemplating gender reassignment”.
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In combat as Matthew Clinch.In combat as Matthew Clinch. Photo: Heather Faulkner
The infantry officer and Duntroon graduate who met his wife Tammy at the Royal Military College is now determined to keep his job after he changes his sex to female next year.
Captain Clinch and Tammy, who live in Queensland with their daughters, aged 5 and 16 months, will have to divorce before the operation because it’s illegal for married couples to be of the same sex.
When Captain Clinch, who has been on hormone treatment in readiness for womanhood, told superior officers his sex-change plan, they said there was no place for him in the military.
”I’m in uniform, with clippered hair, just thinking, ‘What the hell?’ This shouldn’t be that big a deal,” Captain Clinch said. ”It’s 2010, this is Australia. We don’t do this to our people – or we shouldn’t. It’s not equitable. It’s not fair.”
As a teenager, joining the military was one of his dreams – the other was becoming a girl.
At the age of 30, he finally decided he could no longer ignore it.
The army told Captain Clinch he could reapply for his job when he had an F on his birth certificate but there were no guarantees.
The Australian Army policy was: ”Consistent with the current ADF medical and recruiting policy, a person undergoing or contemplating gender reassignment cannot be considered suitable for service in the ADF because of the need for ongoing treatment and/or the presence of a psychiatric disorder.”
A year later Captain Clinch is still in the army and the transgender policy has gone. Some of his earliest memories are of blowing out birthday candles and wishing he was a girl. ”I didn’t want to be a different person. I wanted to be me – but a girl me.”
Captain Clinch’s teenage years at Melbourne High School were awkward: ”I didn’t want the body I had. I wanted a girl’s body. That was just the way it had always been. But society and parents and all sorts of influences tell you that’s crazy – you can’t be thinking like that. You can’t be acting on those thoughts. You can’t resolve that thing that eats you up.”
He joined the reserves straight out of school and the army two years later, burying himself in the all-male infantry, pumping iron at the gym and fathering two daughters with Tammy. ”But your head and your heart are how they are and you can’t get away from yourself.”
The legacy of the past is still there in the bulging biceps and 90-
kilogram frame but the hormone treatment has kicked in and there are now breasts where once there were pecs. When Captain Clinch told his wife of eight years that he needed to live as a woman, Tammy said ”the Earth stopped spinning”.
After the shock, came the grief. She mourned her husband and the body he would lose. But she ”realised that the person I loved and built my life with is still there. All the good things I loved are still there. I just have to adjust to what’s on the outside now.”
Captain Clinch has the support of Transgender Victoria spokeswoman Sally Goldner, who says his success in challenging the policy and having it abolished will help others.
Ms Goldner said the policy practically, if not explicitly, gave Defence the right to sack employees who were undergoing sex change treatments.
After being told last December he could not dress as a woman at work, Captain Clinch went on leave to begin the transition.
His termination notice was signed in February, weeks after Defence joined the Pride in Diversity employer program, which a Defence newsletter says aims ”to make workplaces more responsive to the needs of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people”.
After lodging a Human Rights Commission complaint in March, which is yet to be heard, and appealing against the sacking through Defence’s own channels, the termination was suspended in May.
Defence cancelled its transgender policy in June and withdrew Captain Clinch’s termination a month later.
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No idea V… I’ll see if I can find someone who knows!
Sounds like we need a new web developer
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Quote:I can’t think of any more right now. Anyone care to add to the dictionary?
LOL – Laughing Out Loud – pretty common in the chat room.
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IMHO – is in my humble opinion.
So maybe some of those posting aren’t being humble?Perhaps we should add a general thread about those who cannot spell (myself included) – which will probably result in a request for me to add a spelling checker… so on second thoughts lets not say anything!
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What a lovely night girls – sitting on the balcony on a warm summer’s evening with excellent company.
With 10 in the ‘official’ party, and 5 in the ‘overflow’ we really did get “Well Connected”. Special mention has to go to Roisin joining us from Tasmania for the first (and I hope not the last) time, and Clare (in red to match her preference for wine) and Alice up (or is that down?) from Canberra.And the cafe didn’t even hint that we should leave till close to midnight..
What else do you want?
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A most enjoyable night with a hint of summer in the air!
[img]http://forum.tgr.net.au/cms/media/kunena/attachments/legacy/GlebeCafeNightOct2010.JPG[/img]
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It’s easy Angela.
All you need to do is find a thick-skinned organiser who has a few free weeks to research venues, create publicity, sell tickets, cop all the abuse, and make things happen on the day.
Then you need to find about 50 members of the community who won’t complain that the tickets are too expensive, the event is too safe or too public, the entertainment is too little or too much, or who consider it is only suitable for crossdressers/transexuals/gays…take your pick!
After that it is just a piece of cake!Good luck…but seriously the first thing I think you need to focus on in QLD is to organise simpler social events. In NSW this helped us develop a base of people who would attend functions like a ball, and provides a way of selling tickets to them.
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Quote:I don’t think that it was being implied to move current entries out of their spaces though Amanda, just new items was all (I think?).
True, that was the original proposal. But my suggestion on how to make it viable rested on making an editorial copy, not moving the original
Quote:Would it be worth considering (and is it technically
possible)Everything is worth considering, and almost everything is technically possible given unlimited development resources!
Quote:to add a checkbox to a blog entry, such that if the box is ticked, the content of the blog entry is displayed on a “success stories” page?Which is, as I read it a proposal to make a copy of selected articles.
Amanda’s Golden Rule No 5a is never to automate something by software that you haven’t tried out first the ‘old-fashioned’ manual way. With a manual process you can explore who can make the decision to select a success-blog article, where it is looked for (many suitable articles are currently in forums like Coming Out), what options are needed, how much editorial editing is needed…..etc..etc
So my advice is that if this thread identifies an idea worth trying then it is tried out manually with some type of editor involved. If the idea works then I’ll automate what works!
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An interesting idea… good publicity is always good publicity ?
The practicalities though…Currently much of the content for the proposed forum is in blogs.
We need to be clear why someone would post in this new “Success story” forum in preference to their blog – particularly as the current blog is member-only and also blogs encourage followup individual feedback/encouragement posts.I wonder if most members might be too modest to assume that their “success” was worthy of the spotlight. On the other hand a new forum full of “I bought my first pair of knickers” posts isn’t quite what I think Amy had in mind?
Personally I’m also not particularly attracted to the idea of a forum where each noteworthy success story is followed a large number of posts from members saying “Well Done”. That was what the blogs were created for.
So it seems as if the success stories need to be culled from the blogs and elsewhere, edited to make them suitable for public consumption, and posted in the new forum. But the editor or editors would be open to accusations of bias or selectivity without clear guidelines. Which brings me back to where I started…..
So who wants to “own” this new forum, establish its guidelines, and create the content???
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According to the PBS update I googled….
“The following item will be deleted from the Schedule of Pharmaceutical Benefits on 1 January 2011:
Item discontinued by the manufacturer—
1350C Dydrogesterone, Tablet 10 mg (Duphaston)
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